this is my first post after such a long time that I'll just make it short for now, but this is what i have learned as far as women in my last 2 relationships:

- if you are the type of guy who likes to call women, and be the one who always calls and wants to know how they are, what they are doing, yea, they will answer and talk to you BUT

- I feel that women will be more excited and ready to talk to you IF THEY make the phone call, if they call you instead.

at some point I learned that if i relax, and wait for them to call me MOST OF THE TIME, the phone interaction is more pleasant, fun, and you are more in control.
its hard to understand and it looks like manipulation indeed. but it doesn't matter who the girl is, when I make those phone calls they are never as sweet and fun as when I let them call me when they are ready.

everytime i am the one to make the phone call, sure they were nice, and sweet, but they were always busy, or will talk for a while and then get back at their own stuff and cut the conversation first.


another realization of mine is the POWER of ending phone conversations first, if you wait for her to hang up first, she will, and she will not feel like calling you for a while, maybe a long while, and you will feel like calling her more and missing her... which only decreases her attraction even more....

one of the girls i was with used to tell me: i hate it when you hang up the phone like that , you get me all excited and then you leave me like that, then i cant concentrate.... AWEEEESOME!
when i did this i heard way more "i miss you's" and "dont leave yet" "dont leave me, keep talking" , i have never heard those when she was the one to hang up first, or when i was the one doing most of the phone calls all the time... eww!

so thas my lil piece right there, if Its not clear because i have a headache, please guys let me know, but i think its an important piece.


it also gives her the gift of missing you. this might seem obvious, but to me was a big "aha" when i realized this in my own experience over and over again.

I may have found a unique woman, or it may be unique to our situation, but my GF and I talk on the phone about 5 nights a week for 45 min to an hour and a half sometimes, and we alternate who calls. She's always happy to talk to me too... It seems to work out pretty well for us (we can only see each other on weekends currently due to work and distance). We talk later in the evening before bed too, so it's over when one of us realizes we can't talk any more because we need to go to sleep...

I think you've got it right, though you put it differently... hang up the phone before you run out of things to say (that's when she will get bored and want to end the call) and her interest level for that aspect will at least sustain itself.

Hmm... Glad you posted. I need to try this. Tons of guys always call her, so I don't want to be just like one of them, so I am good about waiting until she calls me, which she ALWAYS does if I leave her alone more than 48 hours.

She always has a lot to say, and I can usually make her loose her breath laughing, but I haven't really had the discipline to leave her on that note. I usually wait until she's done and says bye, but yeah, the conversation definitely winds down and ends on a "well, have a good evening /snore" note. I like the idea of leaving her wondering why that was so awesome and why she can't have more.

Yea, let me know how it works for you, for me it has worked VERY effectively, the chick I'm seeing now just calling me saying why I havent called her all day yesterday. so i think it's working

just be casual about it, when you feel she is really enjoying the conversation just be like "hey, well i have to let you go for now, got some things to do, talk to you later" not said in a mean way of course.