“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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My buddy claims he's gotten out of the "friend zone" 10 times

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Excuse the topic again, but I wanted to share his claims, because it contradicts the consensus that, it's extremely rare to get out of it. I think "10 times" would imply that it's not "rare".

I was very surprised last night when he told me this.
 

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if he's as skilled as that, why would he be trapped in the LJBF zone anyway ?

Unless he transformed from an AFC to a DJ in the middle of the process ?
 

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appasionata said:
if he's as skilled as that, why would he be trapped in the LJBF zone anyway ?

Unless he transformed from an AFC to a DJ in the middle of the process ?
You're right, you've got a point. But also remember, it's even tough to pull tail if you're skilled too.
 

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Your buddy had 10 FEMALE friends. That alone tells me that he is full of sh_it.
 

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edger said:
You're right, you've got a point. But also remember, it's even tough to pull tail if you're skilled too.
It is not hard to pull tail as there are a LOT of women out there that has no issues opening their legs for any man.

What is VERY hard to do is get a "quality woman".
 
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What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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They probably were already attracted to him. Every one of my female friends that I've ended up hooking up with were already attracted to me. Either I was taken at the time or interested in someone else. Then when my circumstances changed we hooked up. In fact this thread made me think about that.

Now when it comes to the nature of the 'friendzone' do you have girls in YOUR friendzone or are you in theirs? Basically who, wants who more? If she's in yours you can still hook up, since there is attraction. If your in hers you probably dead in the water.
 

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Warrior74 said:
They probably were already attracted to him. Every one of my female friends that I've ended up hooking up with were already attracted to me. Either I was taken at the time or interested in someone else. Then when my circumstances changed we hooked up. In fact this thread made me think about that.

Now when it comes to the nature of the 'friendzone' do you have girls in YOUR friendzone or are you in theirs? Basically who, wants who more? If she's in yours you can still hook up, since there is attraction. If your in hers you probably dead in the water.
My buddy told me all those 10 times, he was in THEIR friend zones, that these women had NO sexual attraction for him.
 

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It isn’t that hard to change. If you are in the friend’s zone it can be as simple as spinning a new plate in front of her. Or at the minimum letting her get the idea that another woman is getting your interest. All of a sudden she doesn’t get the attention she is use too and jealousy arises. This has to be played a certain way though. Usually the hot cold treatment. This is just a tactic I have used in the distant past when I found myself in LJBF land.Every situation is different.

If you reek of neediness or desperation or don't have your $hit together nothing will work.
 

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appasionata said:
if he's as skilled as that, why would he be trapped in the LJBF zone anyway ?

Unless he transformed from an AFC to a DJ in the middle of the process ?
Yes indeed, ten conversions are outside credibility. Does this guy tend to have a poor memory, a tenuous relationship with his own history, or a serious drinking problem which frequently triggers some serious boasting about 2am ?
:moon:
 

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I've gotten out of the friend zone more times than I can count.

How?

By just being awesome around these chicks and letting them see how desired I am by others. It never fails!

This is why I keep saying that most of you fellas take the LJBF ish wayyy too personally. You never know a girl's reasons for being your friend. Maybe she has a man already, or is emotionally tied to someone she doesn't have yet, or you just aren't "her type" (yet)

The reason why most dudes stay in the friend zone is because they subconsciously still have one-itis for the friend, or just have no other options on their plate. The desperation only solidifies them as platonic creatures because their sexual prowess is not on display.

My wife used to be one of my best friends. Wanna know how she realized she had feelings for me?

We were having a good time at her house for New Years Eve party. All our friends were there and I was actively gaming this chick. We ended up leaving together for the afterparty at my house ;)

After I bounced, my "friend" realized she was just a teeny bit jealous that I left with that girl. She already knew I was a player because of my rep at the time. But knowing and physically witnessing a phenomena are two completely different things!

Yes my people, jealousy is your greatest ally in the LJBF game.

I posted extensively on this topic here:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=43174
 

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jophil28 said:
Yes indeed, ten conversions are outside credibility. Does this guy tend to have a poor memory, a tenuous relationship with his own history, or a serious drinking problem which frequently triggers some serious boasting about 2am ?
:moon:
Exactly. Also add the fact that he conveniently picked a nice rounded number: 10.
 

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Señor Fingers said:
I've gotten out of the friend zone more times than I can count.

How?

By just being awesome around these chicks and letting them see how desired I am by others. It never fails!

This is why I keep saying that most of you fellas take the LJBF ish wayyy too personally. You never know a girl's reasons for being your friend. Maybe she has a man already, or is emotionally tied to someone she doesn't have yet, or you just aren't "her type" (yet)

The reason why most dudes stay in the friend zone is because they subconsciously still have one-itis for the friend, or just have no other options on their plate. The desperation only solidifies them as platonic creatures because their sexual prowess is not on display.

My wife used to be one of my best friends. Wanna know how she realized she had feelings for me?

We were having a good time at her house for New Years Eve party. All our friends were there and I was actively gaming this chick. We ended up leaving together for the afterparty at my house ;)

After I bounced, my "friend" realized she was just a teeny bit jealous that I left with that girl. She already knew I was a player because of my rep at the time. But knowing and physically witnessing a phenomena are two completely different things!

Yes my people, jealousy is your greatest ally in the LJBF game.

I posted extensively on this topic here:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=43174
Don't you live in Spain?

Completely different culture and society.
 

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Latinoman said:
Exactly. Also add the fact that he conveniently picked a nice rounded number: 10.


Agreed! I wouldn't take his boasts too seriously. Cheers!
 

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Omen

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I've had the opposite happen. I've had it to where I have liked a woman, and lots, and then for some reason, after time, she just doesn't do it for me. I either am around her a lot, or end up knowing more about her, or she is just plain fvcking annoying or rude, or what ever.

In fact i've had this happen 2x. Now not that I wouldn't do em and all, but I dont see a relationship with them when I did before.

So I think it can go BOTH ways. 10x who knows, but I think too many times we hear that once you are in the friend zone, dont try anymore.

I think it can change, and it varies from situation to situation. I've had women who I kind of like that are so so REALLY grow on me. So I know it can happen on the flip side as well.

I think what Senor said below is true...

You never know a girl's reasons for being your friend. Maybe she has a man already, or is emotionally tied to someone she doesn't have yet, or you just aren't "her type" (yet)

Again, it will vary from time to time, and sure, you will have girls who ONLY want to be your friend and that is it. But dont ever think it cant change with another.

I had a woman pull that on me, and then she talked about me taking off my shirt, about bubble baths, and she turned the plates on me. I think she may have thought I was exactly like she thought, and saw no more then a friend. But as she found out more, she was like... Maybe I was wrong.
 

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Anyone who can get out of the friend zone 10 times would've never gotten in the friends zone 10 times. There is a big difference between fukking a female friend and fukking a girl who put you in the friend zone. I think some are confusing the terms.
 

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ketostix said:
Anyone who can get out of the friend zone 10 times would've never gotten in the friends zone 10 times. There is a big difference between fukking a female friend and fukking a girl who put you in the friend zone. I think some are confusing the terms.
I think this is true. Why wold you BE in the friend zone 10x anyway?

Do guys go around thinking... i'm gonna GET in the friend zone then get out. Doesn't make sense.

If I go after a woman my intentions are NOT to get into the friend zone in the first place.
 

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ketostix said:
Anyone who can get out of the friend zone 10 times would've never gotten in the friends zone 10 times. There is a big difference between fukking a female friend and fukking a girl who put you in the friend zone. I think some are confusing the terms.
I totally agree with you.
 

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There is no "getting out of" the true friend zone. I have hooked up with women I had known for a period of time before we did the deed or dated, but I wasn't in the "friend zone" with any of them.
 

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What's the difference between the friend zone and the true friend zone?

I'm just saying
 
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