“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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The X Factor

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This post was inspired in part by posts relating a story of the poster knowing a guy who has no discernable advantage to the poster, e.g., height, looks, "game", etc doing much better at attracting women. The other guy might actually be at a disadvantage in almost every noticable way, e.g, in height, fitness, style, game etc but still have much better success with women. And to also get to the nitty gritty of what really causes attraction to happen/causes atraction to not happen.

Attraction opens the door and is basically essential to getting compliance from girls and for getting anything you want from them. We can't say attraction is random and totally subjective because we all know that some guys have much more success constantly with women and the opposite is true for another guy know matter how hard he tries or what way he tries to go about attracting females. If attraction was random and totally subjective then there wouldn't be a constant disparity between ones guy's success and another's.


To say, well attraction is dependent on looks and personality is too broad and nondescriptive, as is to just run down the list of every quality a guy could have that should attract women. Because we all know guys who are lacking in many of those areas and still do better than a guy who is lacking in few if any of those qualities.

Now that I've set the stage for my argument, I want to try to come to the realization of what factor is the fundamental factor that causes attraction or lacking it causes attraction to be very hard to get. Most people conclude it's confidence, but confidence is so subjectively interpreted. I would argue that this X-factor is either having at least above average facial symmetry or have good facial expressions. Maybe both are required, for example, at least slightly above average facial symmetry plus good facial expressiveness. But the issue is neither are easily to conscously realize or change for the guy. It's something a woman notices almost subconcously and responds to basically emotionally.

Let me give you a good example. What are people interested and like? They like actors. Actors tend to be very symetrical or photogenic and they are very expressive. Their expression communicate moods very clearly. Even if you turn the sound off you can still see the appeal. At one time movies were even silent yet still entertaining.

This also goes to idea in NLP that the other person models and feels emotions based on nonverbal cues and body language. And the rule of thumb that communication is 80% nonverbal. And the, "It's not what you say, it's how you say it." Now I know none of this is exactly new but the idea that attraction is mostly due to having "good" facial expression and facial symmetry I think is. And the idea that nothing you say or do nor any game will overcome a lacking in these areas.

I know there's more to attracting and closing girls but I think this is the necessary foundation that is needed. I think anyone who is having trouble with pick up needs to basically learn how to be expressive like a good actor. I realize there's not much you can do about facial symmetry however.
 

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No one has any feedback? I think I've made a pretty good case, and if my hypothesis is true then improving one's "x-factor" could be the holy grail to attracting more women. What, is no one really interested in attracting women here lol?
 

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Warrior74 said:
A woman is either feeling you or she ain't.
So it's all left up to fate and a numbers game, and working harder not smarter? If we can't discover why and change what we do, then what would be the point of this website? I thought that was the whole point.
 

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forget about looks. women respond to their security needs first. That means power money and influence rule. It's obvious. Looks are down on the list with women. Demonstrate value that appeals to her need to feel secure.
 

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The question you should be asking is what are we looking for in a woman?

A ONS? - Mutual sexual attraction comes into play here. Cannot be denied.

A month or so fling? - Sexual attraction is also very important here.


A dating situation? - Security comes into play more here I think.

A LTR? - Eeh. To be honest through my experience it can go either way. Some girls aren't dumb enough to be with a guy just because he can provide security. It won't last long if she doesn't have sexual desire for him. At the same time if he's sexing her good but is slowly starting to see that's all he can offer, it'll end sooner rather than later.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=142649

Read that article. I'll willing to be she left her husband because he wasn't satisfying her sexually. Well of course. It's a fact. He works long hours to provide for her. He's got a nice house and makes a 7 figure income. She's screwing some guy on the side? What happened?

Attractive women want attractive men. And if those men aren't attractive then he'd better be one hell of a lover.

Tom Leykis looks like an ugly version of Larry Flint without the wheelchair, but best believes he knows what holes to kiss.


Women want smart, attractive men. Don't get me wrong, they have their preferences though. I've ask some girls what attracted them to me and many told me "because you're dark". I could stand a better chance with these girls instead of a white guy BECAUSE of a woman's personal preference. Sometimes a guy will be nice and funny, but there's no genuine attraction towards him. Of course he could game her and probably get her, but if i were in the same room she would be looking at ME before she looks at the other guy. Looks always get a foot in the door.

The X factor just might be a woman's preference.

Let me ask you this, Keto. Do you think you're ugly? Do women find you attractive?
 

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ketostix said:
So it's all left up to fate and a numbers game, and working harder not smarter? If we can't discover why and change what we do, then what would be the point of this website? I thought that was the whole point.

You are so LEFT BRAINED it aint even funny. You might as well write an equation. You are overthinking. Do you think super duper logically like this when you interact with women? How's that workin for you?

Work out, dress nice, keep yourself clean, take of yourself, don't slouch and have fun. If a girl is choosing, she's choosing. If she's feeling you, she's feeling you. It's no magically formula or a discertation needed for that. That's just common sense.

Every woman won't like you, fact. Some women will. fact. Look for the ones that are feeling you and approach. Don't over think.
 

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In my experience, if (if!) there is any X-factor it's this: if your head is in the right place, you'll have success. If it's not, you won't. Almost everything you do is just something to get your head in the right place.

A friend of mine told me once that techniques and methods and such don't work on the woman---they work on the man. My interpretation is that they work on the man to get him in the right place. It is easy to forget that. I do it constantly. The more I reflect on when things go right with my life and with women though, the more I realize it is because of the condition of my head vs. any external factor.

Why be stylish? Because having a standard for how you dress and take care of yourself makes you feel better about yourself. Why be ****y funny? Why wait to call? Why get your life together? These things help get your head in the right place. For some people, they are already there in the head and don't need style, looks, fitness, money. Some of us have to work on it a little bit.

As far as women are concerned:

- get your head screwed on straight
- identify and stop doing anything that will blatantly sh!tcan your chances (i.e. walking up to strangers and batting at their teets)
- don't waste time trying to find silver bullets--there aren't any
- get out there and live
- have fun
 

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Warrior74 said:
You are so LEFT BRAINED it aint even funny. You might as well write an equation. You are overthinking. Do you think super duper logically like this when you interact with women? How's that workin for you?
HAHAHAHAHAHA

Warrior74 said:
Work out, dress nice, keep yourself clean, take of yourself, don't slouch and have fun. If a girl is choosing, she's choosing. If she's feeling you, she's feeling you. It's no magically formula or a discertation needed for that. That's just common sense.

Every woman won't like you, fact. Some women will. fact. Look for the ones that are feeling you and approach. Don't over think.
That's so true. Very true words. I don't approach a woman that I'm attracted to if she's not as attracted to me or more. Don't get me wrong, I've laid women that I've set my sights on, but if they weren't mutually attracted to me it became an uphill battle and I had to WORK to build that attraction. I could do it, but I don't like working for something like that. Lawlz.

I have no problem laying a girl I'm attracted to and is just as attracted to me. I find more harmony in that then just MAKING attraction.

I'm lazy. What can I say?
 

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Keto, if I'm reading you correctly, you are talking about self-improvement. That is a good thing, we all can improve in one aspect of our lives. Ketostix, you are talking about charisma, right?

What I've found, is that a lot of people speak in a monotone manner. They don't emphasis certain key words, like an actor does perhaps.

I used to be this way. I couldn't tell a story and keep it interesting for the life of me....and this didn't just affect gaining attraction, and keeping a woman's attention, but also in job interviews, meetings, phonecalls, etc.

I learned, that by stressing certain words, and varying the pitch of my voice, it really made a difference. I was able to keep peoples attention, and maintain it, until I got my message across. Much like acting, or perhaps the X factor.
 

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ThunderMaverick said:
I have no problem laying a girl I'm attracted to and I just as attracted to me. I find more harmony in that then just MAKING attraction.

I'm lazy. What can I say?
I'm lazy too. Plus I don't like tons of rejection and I hate chasing after a girl, it bloats their egos. It seems so much easier when there is just instant chemistry there from the start. I may get less lays, but it's usually of a better quality when that attraction clicks on both sides.
 

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Positive is correct too on when he talks about playing with your tonality. I find when I'm talking to a girl (since I am a voice actor) I do pepper my voice up a bit. However I find that I do that when I talk to ANYONE.

Apparently for things to sink in your head more efficiently, there has to be an emotional backing. If you can't FEEL it why retain it?
 

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I used to do the MM and I was on the masf forums until I started listening to player supremes podcasts. hes the one who taught me alot and got me out of my left brain, nerd type behavior. its not as hard as we make it out to be sometimes...in fact thats the problem we often overthink things....our great big logical brain is great for programming and work and usign computers and ****...but not so much on relationships. you have to learn to feel and enjoy and be. to use you logical mind and your holistic mind (emotion, feeling, gut).

I'm just wasting time here ranting and sharing, at work while my animation renders...lol. back to my logical brain and setting up animation sequences.
 

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ThunderMaverick said:
HAHAHAHAHAHA



That's so true. Very true words. I don't approach a woman that I'm attracted to if she's not as attracted to me or more. Don't get me wrong, I've laid women that I've set my sights on, but if they weren't mutually attracted to me it became an uphill battle and I had to WORK to build that attraction. I could do it, but I don't like working for something like that. Lawlz.

I have no problem laying a girl I'm attracted to and is just as attracted to me. I find more harmony in that then just MAKING attraction.

I'm lazy. What can I say?
Very interesting comment Thunder. I've heard this from some of my male friends as well. Some of them refuse to invest in a girl unless she is MORE into him than he is in her. I know you are talking about the initial approach... But how much of this thinking carries over into the rest of it?

And ketostix, I think attraction has a lot to do with pheromones and familiarity than symmetry and facial expressions.
 

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forget about looks. women respond to their security needs first. That means power money and influence rule. It's obvious. Looks are down on the list with women. Demonstrate value that appeals to her need to feel secure.
It's not a simple matter of looks unless you want to consider facial symmetry looks, but I've eliminated every looks factor except symmetry. What about the point that attraction is fundamentally caused by good facial expresions and congruency?
 

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ketostix said:
It's not a simple matter of looks unless you want to consider facial symmetry looks, but I've eliminated every looks factor except symmetry. What about the point that attraction is fundamentally caused by good facial expresions and congruency?
The guy I just most recently had ONEitis for did not have great "facial expressions" or "congruency". As a matter of fact, I am using that as my main arsenal to conquer the oneitis. "He isn't even that cute!!!"

That is my only real defense, as everything else about him is great. Hence the attraction, and oneitis. I am telling you, it isn't looks! Sure that HELPS SOME, but it definately won't hold you back if you have other areas down. Like your mind, your soul, and your life.
 

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You are so LEFT BRAINED it aint even funny. You might as well write an equation. You are overthinking. Do you think super duper logically like this when you interact with women? How's that workin for you?
I don't know which side of the brain you are but you're wrong. You are leaving everything up to fait or chance. That's fine if you are already a successful natural but my post is not aimed at them. One could make your simplistic argument against anything and everything on this forum.


Work out, dress nice, keep yourself clean, take of yourself, don't slouch and have fun.
But my position is none of those matter or will work well without having the x-factor first.


If a girl is choosing, she's choosing. If she's feeling you, she's feeling you. It's no magically formula or a discertation needed for that. That's just common sense.
Again it's all left to fate and chance to you. It's not about any one particual girl, but if girls aren't choosing or feeling you, then there's a reason why and the reason why is the one that I gave and it may be changeable. Your advice is basically just keep doing what you're doing and suddenly somehow eveything will either change for you or you'll find that "one".

Every woman won't like you, fact. Some women will. fact. Look for the ones that are feeling you and approach. Don't over think.
I never said you could every get every women to like you. But you sure can get every girl to dislike you, and you certainly can get more guys to like you.
 

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ThunderMaverick said:
The question you should be asking is what are we looking for in a woman?

A ONS? - Mutual sexual attraction comes into play here. Cannot be denied.

A month or so fling? - Sexual attraction is also very important here.


A dating situation? - Security comes into play more here I think.

A LTR? - Eeh. To be honest through my experience it can go either way. Some girls aren't dumb enough to be with a guy just because he can provide security. It won't last long if she doesn't have sexual desire for him. At the same time if he's sexing her good but is slowly starting to see that's all he can offer, it'll end sooner rather than later.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=142649
My view is nothing can happen without attraction. you can only enter the friends zone.

The X factor just might be a woman's preference.
But I'm trying to explain just what is the factor women have a preference for.


Let me ask you this, Keto. Do you think you're ugly? Do women find you attractive?
This thread isn't about me. Like I said in my OP, it was inspired by other threads and my own experiences observing what women select on. But to answer your question I believe I'm attractive and women think so too, but honestly I don't get the mileage I should from being 6'1 and in shape etc.
 

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DJCT said:
In my experience, if (if!) there is any X-factor it's this: if your head is in the right place, you'll have success. If it's not, you won't. Almost everything you do is just something to get your head in the right place.

A friend of mine told me once that techniques and methods and such don't work on the woman---they work on the man. My interpretation is that they work on the man to get him in the right place. It is easy to forget that. I do it constantly. The more I reflect on when things go right with my life and with women though, the more I realize it is because of the condition of my head vs. any external factor.

Why be stylish? Because having a standard for how you dress and take care of yourself makes you feel better about yourself. Why be ****y funny? Why wait to call? Why get your life together? These things help get your head in the right place. For some people, they are already there in the head and don't need style, looks, fitness, money. Some of us have to work on it a little bit.

As far as women are concerned:

- get your head screwed on straight
- identify and stop doing anything that will blatantly sh!tcan your chances (i.e. walking up to strangers and batting at their teets)
- don't waste time trying to find silver bullets--there aren't any
- get out there and live
- have fun
These are good points. what I'm saying is that it doesn't really matter per se where your head is. All that matters id if the female thinks your head is in the right place. And I'm saying what makes her perceive that or not is mostly your facial expressions.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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