This forum is going down the drain? So what are we gonna do about it?

[Deadly_Assassin]

I know a lot of people feel this forum is not as good as it used to be. And, this is the reason why guys like Pook have left. It may be true or not but how about we all, especially the senior ones, and the ones who actually go out there and make approaches, to come up with sum ideas or a new plan to get this forum back up again to its former glory.

Now, its no point trying to kick ppl off this forum. But my suggestion is lets try getting more ppl off the computer and get them out on the streets. Anyone got any good ideas on how we can do this? This seems to be one of the biggest problem affecting the site. No wonder we see so many keyboard jockeys.

We all know when if we improve ourselves, the chicks automatically come for us. We love life, they love us. How about we gave something back to sosuave.com? After all, this site helped us improve ourselves( well, certain ppl ), I think its time we improved sosuave.com.

[SinJester]

I don't see anything wrong with it... Pook probably left for his own reasons. Senor Fingers is back and making great posts, Interceptor posts are always gold, and there's plenty more, don't go acting like there's no one worth while left.

Thats my $1.50

[Deadly_Assassin]

Another thing, I remember ages ago, there was a rule or a DJ school going on. Everyone that joined, had to read the bible and make certain no. of approaches. Boot camp I think it was called. We definetly need to restart it.

[Deadly_Assassin]

I am not saying theres no one worth while left. I think its because of these ppl this website still has hope. But, I won't be surprised in a matter of time, if these few ppl get bored of seeing the same **** everytime and move on as well...

I have been looking at Interceptors replies. Most replies he gives are usually based on the idea that improve urself, u will improve ur life and will automatically improve with chicks. Which is gold, but he keeps having to repeat it. Why? Most of these new ones, want quick solutions, they don't want to go the hard way of improving themselves, making big changes. They just want to know the tricks, the mind set needed to get chicks. They fail to realise that doing these tricks or putting on this mindset for that little while is like putting on a mask. Sooner or later, the chick will see the AFC on the inside. This is where Pook, Senor fingz and Interceptor and the real DJs are different. It was not about acting, saying, or doing things a certain way, but changing the whole person, his lifestyle and his destiny!

[KontrollerX]

"I know a lot of people feel this forum is not as good as it used to be. And, this is the reason why guys like Pook have left."

This wasn't the reason he left.

I read a lot of his last posts here and things on his blog and he basically left this site because posters were trying to debate him over every little thing he would say in one of his inspirational posts he would make.

He told everyone he didn't make them to debate them all of the time but merely as things he wrote to help himself which he put out there to help someone else if they could get something out of it.

So he left because no matter what he said about not wanting his stuff to be debated and argued over posters continued to debate and argue and try and call Pook out over it anyway.

He moved on for that reason as well he didn't like some of the other posters cult hero worshipping him and PMing him all the time.

"It may be true or not but how about we all, especially the senior ones, and the ones who actually go out there and make approaches, to come up with sum ideas or a new plan to get this forum back up again to its former glory."

The Mature Man forum is great, the discussion forum is decent, the high school board needs better posters but all in all the site is currently as awesome as its ever gonna get.

It was seemingly so much better years ago because you had guys like Shezzler and others ripping off Pook's style of the epic post and using flowery language and Shakespeare quotes. Telling an engaging story basically.

You want to re-live the past and take this forum back start writing epic topics but personally I like how it has evolved out of the flowery Pook style into the mission oriented Victory Unlimited and Interceptor style of surgical attack the problem (problem, reaction, solution in other words) and then solve it posts all the while motivating members to be the best men they can be.

A thing about the old school members I didn't like is they would focus a lot of time blaming the AFC for his position in life when it wasn't the AFC's fault he was ignorant but his simply never having proper guidance in life to embrace the DJ style of living. The oldschool members would've been well served however to blame the AFC for his status in life if it was negative only if after reading the knowledge found on this site the AFC still did not act to change his life.

The oldschool members also completely held women as blameless for the AFC's predicament which was disempowering to the AFC that was here to learn the DJ way. Rather I would of had them first blame society for the needing to improve oneself and then lay the responsibility on the AFC to take in the knowledge found here and change his life to best exist in this society he has found himself in.

The oldschool members were probably going for the tough love approach with this thinking it is manly and it very well may be manly in the 1950's sense of things but when you are trying to deprogram a guy with a feminized gentle mentality about him from the matrix I just think its most productive to use a gentle approach that gradually builds him up day after day week after week rather than going for the sink or swim method.

The forum as it stands now has a better overall approach to helping people than I think the previous generation did.

Still those oldschoolers deserve all the credit in the world for building the message of this site and allowing us to evolve it.

However as the world changes so do the posters and the advice with it.

And not to be weaker advice either but more understandable and practical to be more easily applied.

[squirrels]

The Mature Man forum is great

:crackup:

Which part?

The two posts by women, which each have 5 or more pages of replies, showing how much guys on here are just dying to look good in the face of women like iqqi, who is probably an ugly tramp herself?

Or maybe the three or four live threads about why women are flaking on the first or second date?

Or maybe you're talking about the threads about people who are 40 and haven't had sex in years and are lamenting about how hard "the game" is?

Or maybe the people who hero-worship Rollo Tomassi and call women "plates" like it makes them sound enlightened?

No, wait...you must be talking about the people who yammer on about the "feminatrix" and whine about how men are so oppressed and how life sucks for us and we were dealt a raw hand. You know, instead of getting up and doing something about it.

Or maybe you're talking about all the self-proclaimed philosophical geniuses who want to tell the world how life works, even though they struggle at it so much that they haunt a forum built around guys who can't get chicks.



The reason this forum has gone to sh!t is simple. It used to be made up of people who were passionate about bagging attractive women. They had FUN doing this...it wasn't an obligation for them. They didn't feel like they had to be "players" to be cool. They did it because they loved it.

Now it's made up of people who aren't DRIVEN to get women, but feel like they OUGHT to because of the pressure society puts on us to mate. So they gather here and whine about how hard it is, get VERY good advice, go out, DON'T apply it, and then whine some more. They don't have FUN talking to women. But they listened to enough hip-hop to learn that, "If you ain't a playa wif 6 bichizz in da bed, you ain't cool".

It's very easy to stack good advice on top of good advice until your problem makes very clear sense. But it seems that very few people here are willing to take ACTION to rectify that problem, even after simplifying it down to the minutiae.

So there's only ONE reasonable conclusion...most of you guys on here just AREN'T THAT PASSIONATE about women, but are too insecure in your masculinity and social image to admit that there are things you'd rather be doing than wasting energy on chicks. So you come up with these grand theories to make it LOOK like you understand women, and then turn and run the other way when a girl comes into the room.


You have all the tools you need to get what you want from women. The only thing that will make it happen, though, is when YOU DECIDE that you WANT a woman bad enough to use those tools. Until then, you're just blowing hot air out your face-hole when you talk about chicks.


That's why Pook left. Because life is out THERE. Not in HERE.

[KarmaSutra]

That's why Pook left. Because life is out THERE. Not in HERE.

Squirrels, I don;t know who pissed your cheerios but your negativity is aggravating. You don't like it, leave. You haven't said one positive thing since-

















- never.

Why not follow Pook's lead and let the door slap you on the ass? I know this place is exponentially better. Better Moderation, better Motivation, better Members, better thinking, better attitude.

There will always be those few rotten apples. Let 'em rot.

[KarmaSutra]

The Mature Man forum is great, the discussion forum is decent, the high school board needs better posters but all in all the site is currently as awesome as its ever gonna get.

Agreed Brother KontrollerX.

And I'll let you guys in on a little tidbit:

I've never read a Pook post in my life. Not one.

Don't plan to either.

[reset]

Squirrels, if life is "out there" you sure put a lot of time into spending it "in here" with that post.

I for one will say this site has helped me, not the site but the guys who are members OF the site, a couple of which are in this thread. Boards are made up of individuals. Now after being here for a long time, what happens is you start to notice posters who say something that resonates with you, and you may make it a point to read their posts or talk to them. And you filter out the stuff that is negative, unless you're in a fun mood, then why not. Bicker a little. It's ok.

So in effect the board is what you want it to be.

[bmxcetera]

A thing about the old school members I didn't like is they would focus a lot of time blaming the AFC for his position in life when it wasn't the AFC's fault he was ignorant but his simply never having proper guidance in life to embrace the DJ style of living. The oldschool members would've been well served however to blame the AFC for his status in life if it was negative only if after reading the knowledge found on this site the AFC still did not act to change his life.

The oldschool members also completely held women as blameless for the AFC's predicament which was disempowering to the AFC that was here to learn the DJ way. Rather I would of had them first blame society for the needing to improve oneself and then lay the responsibility on the AFC to take in the knowledge found here and change his life to best exist in this society he has found himself in.
Excellent, Chap!! :D

I remember coming here way back starting in 2000, when I actually saw Pook, Seņor Fingerz, DIESEL and other greats posting still. My approach that took me away from AFC and into DJism was...that I would read outside of the forums 1st, perusing the tips(the 1 about creating an aura did me in:up: ), reading through the Doc Love responses entirely and ONLY coming into the forums for the old school DJ Bible, Bulking and Cutting Guides and sparingly stuff posted by Fingz, Pook (the guys with the epic stories).

Back then as a wee middle-schooler, I would take this advice and apply it on the golf course (yes, I golfed back then), walking the fairways tall and confidently, cracking jokes w/my playing partners. Being that every weekend brought me face to face w/new playing partners, I made sure to speak clearly, concise and to "empower my voice" (an article in itself;) ) with each of these strangers. In school, I had killed off the stigmas pertaining to the AFC lifestyle such as desperation, neediness and I grew a pair so to speak.

I waited 4 years to actually join the forums, because I thought, If I'm still an AFC and trying to transform myself, just wait it out so I don't throwout immature and inane posts that would stymie my quest for the DJ mentality. Let me tell you, there was A LOT of trial and error:o I went through and it was only ME that had to know back then.

[DavenJuan]

Deadly ASSassin ( lol sorry, couldnt help myself)

i think your thread has very good intentions, but i feel that bringing this issue up is only going to bring replies like "squirrels" and contribute nothing but negativity.

and with that, there is no postive outcome from whining about others you believe to whine.

IMO this forum is golden. can things be changed ? of course. its inevitable that posters lives change over there tenure here. but i think we all get what we come here for. Everyone here isnt all looking for the same thing.

some come here simply to vent and complain. and though dwelling on things for an extended period of time is not healthy, i think this forum being used as an outlet and discussion is a good thing.

so squirrels, those you claim to still be AFC (which is okay) and those "oldmembers" you say claim to be philosiphers, and the "2" women who post in the MM forum that we "seek" validation from as you say...

ITS OKAY. we all come here for different reasons and seek different things. trying to understand each one of them for every person is insanity.

my advice??

contribute your opinion, learn from your mistakes, and APPRECIATE THIS SOURCE that we have.

[guru1000]

:crackup:

Which part?

The two posts by women, which each have 5 or more pages of replies, showing how much guys on here are just dying to look good in the face of women like iqqi, who is probably an ugly tramp herself?

Or maybe the three or four live threads about why women are flaking on the first or second date?

Or maybe you're talking about the threads about people who are 40 and haven't had sex in years and are lamenting about how hard "the game" is?

Or maybe the people who hero-worship Rollo Tomassi and call women "plates" like it makes them sound enlightened?

No, wait...you must be talking about the people who yammer on about the "feminatrix" and whine about how men are so oppressed and how life sucks for us and we were dealt a raw hand. You know, instead of getting up and doing something about it.

Or maybe you're talking about all the self-proclaimed philosophical geniuses who want to tell the world how life works, even though they struggle at it so much that they haunt a forum built around guys who can't get chicks.

.

Squirrels, you sound like a whining baby.

Some guys here need a good BACKHAND. This post doesn't dignify a response.

[SickAgain]

I'm not one of the older gods here on the forum, but one thing I really dislike is the constant posts about how to get a single girl that someone fancies. They claim, they're not that interested and its not oneitis, but I think that it is and there are too many posts of this nature that can be solved using the search option.

I think a lot of the guys here on the forums would be a lot happier if they could understand that there are so many women in the world and even in small towns that they should get hung up on a single girl, no matter how bad they want to bed her.

Furthermore, I think there needs to be fresh new posts from the actual DJs about topics such as developing plates, reducing/eliminating flaky behavior, and some more stuff on controlling relationships.

PS. I hate ****ty field reports.

[Interceptor]

Here's what I think, and am actually starting to feel...

...life for the majority of the members here at SS is getting so fvcked up that they are getting more and more depserate for relief.


As they get more and more desperate, they start to turn to anybody who may give them a ray of hope, and if they cant get that 'magic pill' to fix all their problems for them in an instant , they feel more despair and angry and resentful and the person that was trying to help them...for not fixing their own problem..

....this starts to create a higher pressure and perceived OBLIGATION and RESPONSIBILITY on the guys who DO post here about building a better life, self improvement, and gaining a Wiser perspective.



While I think the focus on 'getting chicks' is a decent, normal, and healthy.the majority of thiose who seek advice for this are so WAY OFF BASE that they dont even realize the problems they will be creating for themselves. So they go out and try to handle these social pressure and environments and begin to bang their heads against the wall , becasuse they have not handled their inner game issues beforehand.

I tend to focus on self improvement, and inner game issues.

Thats it, really. Because without your inner game issues handled all your 'success; is temporary , fleeting, and never as satisfying as if you were in a good state of mind and well being, able to appraciate it all from a good perspective


And yeah it is easy to assume that because one is on a forum, that one isnt 'out there' experiencing life. Or HASNT ever had an experience similar to yours...so no way can this guy relate and offer advice, right?

I am here to help. But if someone is going to act like a distrustful ******* about my help, so be it.
Go on your own way and leave me out of it..........



EDIT: For any one who is going to use the forum to try to cut down others, all youre doing is forcing the good people out and stop participating altogether

[MacAvoy]

And, this is the reason why guys like Pook have left.


It used to be made up of people who were passionate about bagging attractive women.

You guys need to stop living in the past. Sure this place was great 5 years ago, you know what sex was great and alot more open in the 60's. However I'm not going to waste my energy reliving the 60's.

You live in the today & now. Accept it. If you want this place to be more like it was 5 years ago, then be the man that your hero Pook was, don't be the man propping up his memory. If you think that this place needs more guys being passionate about banging hot women, then be passionate about banging hot women & be a leader. The flock will naturally follow a leader.

[Interceptor]

I'm thankful for many fellow posters here who contune to inspire me and motivate me to continue contributing.

Thank you , ladies and gentlemen


:up:

[Microphone Fiend]

nice post, I agree with a good deal of it
The two posts by women, which each have 5 or more pages of replies, showing how much guys on here are just dying to look good in the face of women like iqqi, who is probably an ugly tramp herself?
Amen. Happens in every post made by a female regardless of the forum, but I would assume that MM would be over it by now. How does responding to a troll help you? How does talking to the female in the chat thread about what outfit she is going to buy help you? How does going to LS and b!tching about their system help you?

Or maybe the three or four live threads about why women are flaking on the first or second date?
Well flakes are a part of the game imo. At least it shows the people are out there trying. Addressing flaking is a pretty big issue or else you will be running into that same wall over and over.

Or maybe you're talking about the threads about people who are 40 and haven't had sex in years and are lamenting about how hard "the game" is?

Or maybe the people who hero-worship Rollo Tomassi and call women "plates" like it makes them sound enlightened?
There is some hero worshipping over @ MM and it is sad. I do think that Rollo deserves respect and attention paid to his insight at the least. His mindset and ideas relate well to real life and have helped me in the past, while they might not always work for you, they are well thought out and field tested.

No, wait...you must be talking about the people who yammer on about the "feminatrix" and whine about how men are so oppressed and how life sucks for us and we were dealt a raw hand. You know, instead of getting up and doing something about it.
Seconded. Too much b!tching about feminists commercials and dumb sh!t like that. Waaay too much of it in MM.

Or maybe you're talking about all the self-proclaimed philosophical geniuses who want to tell the world how life works, even though they struggle at it so much that they haunt a forum built around guys who can't get chicks.
Don't know who that is specifically in MM but I've seen it all over the tip section and the rest of the forum.


The reason this forum has gone to sh!t is simple. It used to be made up of people who were passionate about bagging attractive women. They had FUN doing this...it wasn't an obligation for them. They didn't feel like they had to be "players" to be cool. They did it because they loved it.
Yea I've thought about that. The first people knew what they were doing and had fun doing it. Later generations had to be taught how to do it and are not used to the hardships and rejection as much and it shows in their posts

Now it's made up of people who aren't DRIVEN to get women, but feel like they OUGHT to because of the pressure society puts on us to mate. So they gather here and whine about how hard it is, get VERY good advice, go out, DON'T apply it, and then whine some more. They don't have FUN talking to women. But they listened to enough hip-hop to learn that, "If you ain't a playa wif 6 bichizz in da bed, you ain't cool".
Blaming it on hip hop huh? How original. Quite a stretch going off on a random tangent, that's for sure.

It's very easy to stack good advice on top of good advice until your problem makes very clear sense. But it seems that very few people here are willing to take ACTION to rectify that problem, even after simplifying it down to the minutiae.

So there's only ONE reasonable conclusion...most of you guys on here just AREN'T THAT PASSIONATE about women, but are too insecure in your masculinity and social image to admit that there are things you'd rather be doing than wasting energy on chicks. So you come up with these grand theories to make it LOOK like you understand women, and then turn and run the other way when a girl comes into the room.


You have all the tools you need to get what you want from women. The only thing that will make it happen, though, is when YOU DECIDE that you WANT a woman bad enough to use those tools. Until then, you're just blowing hot air out your face-hole when you talk about chicks.
Another thing I see with the MM crowd is the lack of wanting to take responsibility for anything. It is always the woman's fault, she is always an attention *****, she never should be trusted, she is always going to cheat, blah blah ad nauseum. You can't control everything but step up and control your woman, don't just sit back like some force unaffected by the circumstances that surround you

That's why Pook left. Because life is out THERE. Not in HERE.
Perhaps it is because people don't tell stories and discuss women like they used to. It is not about celebrating success with women as much as pondering the problems. MM seemed to be the light at the tunnel but recently is seems like there is 1 success story for every 15 negative ones. Perhaps it is because no one posts when they are doing well, only when problems arise...

[MacAvoy]

Excellent post Microphone, I agree 100%.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

nice post, I agree with a good deal of it...

Perhaps it is because people don't tell stories and discuss women like they used to. It is not about celebrating success with women as much as pondering the problems. MM seemed to be the light at the tunnel but recently is seems like there is 1 success story for every 15 negative ones. Perhaps it is because no one posts when they are doing well, only when problems arise...


I agreed with your entire post but this is the thing that sticks with me. There are a surprising amount of guys who are getting better but when they post there tends to be guys posting (trying to be helpful mind you) from a place of frustration and fear which may be true in their situation but detracts from the success of the original poster. Then more frustrated guys write "me too" posts in order to create the "camaraderie of commiseration." Then in an Orwellian mindset we expound upon fighting the power of Big Brother and then go off tilting at windmills like Don Quixote (a far cry from Don Juan).

Alright, back on track...

There's guys having success out there but for some reason or other they aren't sharing their success. Yeah, there are guys out there posting threads about "This is the only way to [fill in the blank]" as a means of self-promotion but it's not the same. The message is there but the presentation and the content is a little lacking.

I am in no way saying that the forum isn't worthwhile, I'm still finding golden nuggets in the archives even today, back when things seemed a bit simpler. Maybe the site has grown from the days of being a wide-eyed adolescent wanting to learn about the wonders of the world into a unruly teen trying to validate his independence. Who knows. :cool:

[ThunderMaverick]

Pook..


Pook pook pookie.


Karma, my brother, when you say you haven't read a lick of what Pook has written, I can tell you...



You honestly haven't missed anything.

.....none of it is better than what Rollo, Joekerr, VU, Fingz and many others have posted. I met many situations in life that these posters and others above have been through. I've taken most of their incredible advice and it has worked for me more than Pook ever had. In it's core, what every mature guy I've mentioned here really talks about is...true self awareness and true self improvement. Pook knew how to tell a great story, but his advice and experience wasn't far off from guys like LATINOMAN, STR8UP and even Backbreaker.

This is why I like the mature man's forum so much. It's not about "bagging chicks". Bagging chicks should always be secondary to being better than who you were last week or the year before. Afterall, if you don't like yourself you'll end up like "Mystery". Sure you can bang chicks. So can any meat head frat guy.

Nothings changed here. People like the men above will continue to write great threads and maybe one day when or if they ever leave this place my experience alone will be able to be passed on to new members here who desperately looked for answers everywhere but here.

Now to you guys who talk about how it "used to be" take your "used to be"s and start another forum. Your b!tching is no good to anyone here.

[Mistic]

Agreed Brother KontrollerX.

And I'll let you guys in on a little tidbit:

I've never read a Pook post in my life. Not one.

Don't plan to either.

Same here, but I did read one or two, at some point.

[MacAvoy]

I've never read a tonne of pook, just what's in the bible but I was having a peek at the book of pook and I came across something interesting. I've always like to quote Anti Dump's never ask to be exclusive thread in the bible, however I just seen a little gem (metaphor) that illustrates his idea even more and I'm going to start including it when I quote AD.

Anti Dump had a metaphor that I like a lot: You should be free as a bird, flapping around, singing, full of joy with life. Women want to ****** the bird and throw it in a cage (cage = committment). When birds try to fly into the cage, wouldn't you think something is wrong with that bird? After all, who wants a bird that WANTS to be in the cage? No, women want the birds that are FREE, WILD, and BEAUTIFUL. They want A GOOD CATCH. Good Catches do not fly into cages. Only wounded or needy birds do.

[DonGorgon]

this board is fine...

[MacAvoy]

this board is fine...

True bet every so often, we get someone who got dumped, they are lonely, so they look back and think about how great their ex use to be 5 years ago.

My point is, focussing on the past and missing what use to be, will not get you results vs doing something about your life and making what you want happen.

[gtownjuan]

I get off this site for a week or so and I find this forum drenched with negativity and unproductive DJ atmosphere. I used to actually enjoy coming to this place and I have taken the steps towards DJ nirvana, not that I'm the man or some great PU. How can people who really want to change stand a chance here anymore. I know that if i wanna be better then i will change to become better. But what about when I had no sense of better two years ago and stumped on this site and found definition and inspiration for better. Now how can a AFC in 2008 undergo that same change with what has happened to this forum?? This place needs cleaning up and we are the ones who must take responsibility and fix it, on DJ at a time.

[BluEyes]

The board is going through a period of change these days. I for one don't subscribe to any negativity on here.

[sosilky]

I actualy just joined this week. I like the book Wish i knew what you mean about it getting negative in here. Hope I'm not contributiing to that.

[gtownjuan]

I actualy just joined this week. I like the book Wish i knew what you mean about it getting negative in here. Hope I'm not contributiing to that.

Welcome and make sure to go to the "DJ BIBLE" link at the bottom of the page and reading the dj bible as well as downloading and reading the other stuff on that page. You actually seam like one the brave ones who actually want something out of your life and is willing to go for it, so no need to worry about negativity. Just understand the DJ principles, apply it to your life and start using what is appropriate and discarding what doesn't fit your style. Best of luck bro.

[DonJuan11]

How can people who really want to change stand a chance here anymore. I know that if i wanna be better then i will change to become better. But what about when I had no sense of better two years ago and stumped on this site and found definition and inspiration for better. Now how can a AFC in 2008 undergo that same change with what has happened to this forum?? This place needs cleaning up and we are the ones who must take responsibility and fix it, on DJ at a time.

Pity is very underrated. If people pity you, it gives you reason not to change.

[Deadly_Assassin]

You guys have made a valid point. I will just have to learn to accept the way the forum is. It might not be the way it use to be, and it might never get there, just gotta suck it in, hehe.

[ThunderMaverick]

Deadly, are you sure maybe the forum hasn't always been this way? I mean when you had posters like Pook and Anti-Dump here, you still had those whiny AFC types who would type every minuet detail on how their date went with some girl who shot them down. You would still have guys who were extremely anti female, etc.

Maybe the great stuff you've already read in the past and maybe you're glossing over the many wonderful post that are happening today? I mean sometimes you can have your fill of this site and you might need to take a break, y'know?

[Deadly_Assassin]

Deadly, are you sure maybe the forum hasn't always been this way? I mean when you had posters like Pook and Anti-Dump here, you still had those whiny AFC types who would type every minuet detail on how their date went with some girl who shot them down. You would still have guys who were extremely anti female, etc.

Maybe the great stuff you've already read in the past and maybe you're glossing over the many wonderful post that are happening today? I mean sometimes you can have your fill of this site and you might need to take a break, y'know

yea I know what u mean. I think when I first saw this site, it was like a the matrix being revealed the first time. So every post would have fasinated me. Now, because I have seen it so many times, i guess its become boring.

[KarmaSutra]

.....none of it is better than what Rollo, Joekerr, VU, Fingz and many others have posted. I met many situations in life that these posters and others above have been through. I've taken most of their incredible advice and it has worked for me more than Pook ever had. In it's core, what every mature guy I've mentioned here really talks about is...true self awareness and true self improvement. Pook knew how to tell a great story, but his advice and experience wasn't far off from guys like LATINOMAN, STR8UP and even Backbreaker.

This is why I like the mature man's forum so much. It's not about "bagging chicks". Bagging chicks should always be secondary to being better than who you were last week or the year before. Afterall, if you don't like yourself you'll end up like "Mystery". Sure you can bang chicks. So can any meat head frat guy.

Nothings changed here. People like the men above will continue to write great threads and maybe one day when or if they ever leave this place my experience alone will be able to be passed on to new members here who desperately looked for answers everywhere but here.

Now to you guys who talk about how it "used to be" take your "used to be"s and start another forum. Your b!tching is no good to anyone here.

The past is dead. I only have reference to posts which have changed and re molded by unique paradigm. This is why I love to read from the brothers I do. Victory Unlimited, Rollo, Interceptor, STR8UP, Joekerr, and every regular contributor to the MM forum.

I understand that if one is to avoid the follies of the future you need to understand the past. Problem is, Pook was never in MY past so it's unrelatable to me.

[Jitterbug]

This seems to be one popular theme on every forum. There's another forum I've been a member of for 8 years. Every now and then, there are a few veterans who come back from their long hiatus, pine for the good old times and cr@p on how bad the forum has become, completely forgetting that the good old times were just as bad/good. It was just different. And people are generally bad at adapting to changes.

[squirrels]

This seems to be one popular theme on every forum. There's another forum I've been a member of for 8 years. Every now and then, there are a few veterans who come back from their long hiatus, pine for the good old times and cr@p on how bad the forum has become, completely forgetting that the good old times were just as bad/good. It was just different. And people are generally bad at adapting to changes.

See, that's the THING, though. The "veterans" didn't care about the "forum". They were womanizers. The forum was just a means of discussing information.

This happens on any popular forum. And it's not necessarily a BAD thing, but it changes things a little bit.

Most of the people on here NOW are "forum nerds" FIRST and womanizers/mature males SECOND. To most people on here, it doesn't matter if they NEVER get anywhere in life, as long as people on the forum respect them.

The forum has gone from being a means to being an end in itself. That's why sight has been lost. That's why "old-timers" occasionally come back and talk about how this place has gone to hell, just before disappearing again.

A lot of people talk about shutting THIS forum down or picking up the same people and moving them to another forum, but the problem moves with the people. They don't say, "Finally, a place where we can discuss our pursuits of women without interruption!" They say, "Look, another forum we can pretend to be enlightened and engage in flame wars on!!"

The very discussion of women is only to make it LOOK like they're still in touch with the forum's theme. Like I said, very few "forum veterans" on here care about getting laid or finding a nice woman to settle down with. They're here because the forum is here, not vice-versa "like it used to be".

I only post here when I'm bored at work. Why have my posts been so "negative"? Because every time I log on here, I see a bunch of people who are spouting the same mantras and having the same problems...not NEW people, the SAME people...for no other reason than that's what people do on this forum.

The negative energy DOES bring me down, I'll admit that, and maybe I need to be a little stronger in my personal frame. But that's the reason that you don't see "field reports" and good tips here any more...because the people giving field reports are out in the FIELD. They gave up forums because they didn't sign on here just for the experience of "being on a forum".

[ElStud]

The main problem with the forum now, the way I see it, is there are far too many KBJ's, haters and overall, people who give bad advice. If people would stop bragging, hating, making assumptions(You know who you are) and would actually try and HELP people(Hating and making assumptions isn't advice BTW like a lot of people think), this forum would be so much better.

[My Name is Nobody]

The forum is going down? On who?

[KontrollerX]

"Which part?

The two posts by women, which each have 5 or more pages of replies, showing how much guys on here are just dying to look good in the face of women like iqqi, who is probably an ugly tramp herself?"

This is a good point I have to give this one to ya.

Still since you asked which part I'll answer all the reset, KarmaSutra, guru, Rollo Tomassi, Desdinova, Penkitten, Victory Unlimited, and Interceptor posts and anyone with a positive message that has helped someone here that I have forgotten. You see Squirrels there are so many great posters here I cannot remember them all and I have such a great respect for all the posters here that help people (even those I have had fights with such as senor fingerz) that I am ashamed I cannot remember them all currently to post their names here for you to see.

"Or maybe the three or four live threads about why women are flaking on the first or second date?"

There were posts like this back in the oldschool days as well that the regs back then would complain about.

Its like this on every forum out there if you think about it.

There is always one member crying about how the past was better less spam, less trolls, better posts, etc.

Its kind of funny though as whenever I would check such a posters post history they would be crying about how bad the forum was during the supposed "golden age" of it as well and how the mods "needed to crack down".

"Or maybe you're talking about the threads about people who are 40 and haven't had sex in years and are lamenting about how hard "the game" is?"

Can't think of anyone who fits the bill here for this. Lets see Str8up is 36, jophil is late 40's or early 50's, Rollo is married, joekerr and reset are early 30's. Nope can't think of any 40 year olds who have made such a post.

"Or maybe the people who hero-worship Rollo Tomassi and call women "plates" like it makes them sound enlightened?"

Or maybe they say it because they simply believe it is a term that has become common place here such as AFC or DJ so they might as well use it?

Maybe they use it out of respect for Rollo since his advice has helped them.

"No, wait...you must be talking about the people who yammer on about the "feminatrix" and whine about how men are so oppressed and how life sucks for us and we were dealt a raw hand. You know, instead of getting up and doing something about it."

Posters on here have complained that Pook's blog had become such a place and if you think about it maybe his hardcore followers who read his blog brought that mindset here and you've read it's influence in certain poster's topics?

http://dapook.blogspot.com/2008/01/huxley-and-orwell-foretold-matriarchy.html

http://dapook.blogspot.com/search?q=Lace+Curtain

So yeah if you're going to keep insulting Rollo and others for talking about the "feminatrix" maybe give Pook some credit by sharing your negativity towards him for his talk about the "Matriarchy" and "Lace Curtain" since ya know they're one in the same with feminism ie feminatrix.

"Or maybe you're talking about all the self-proclaimed philosophical geniuses who want to tell the world how life works, even though they struggle at it so much that they haunt a forum built around guys who can't get chicks."

There's tons of highly intelligent posters on the MM board who would fit the "philosophical poster" bill and I've never seen a one of them "self proclaim themselves as philosophical geniuses" or say they had life totally figured out.

Not joekerr, not myself, not Rollo, not Victory Unlimited (who you quote in your sig btw), not Interceptor, not a one. It'd be nice though if you would of provided some examples and actual concrete evidence as opposed to offering oh you know...none. You're as bad as those kids who were trying to get a poster banned a few months back who wouldn't provide any links to evidence of said poster's wrong doing which any mod with a sense of fairness about him would need to see before banning that person.

Consider that maybe they don't visit this forum for the bullsh!t reason you posted and instead maybe they get strength out of helping others as well get strength from the positivity they can find here from other like minded individuals because they are able to filter out the negative posters such as yourself from the positive posters and instead focus on interacting with the positive posters as well help new struggling posters become better men when they need help and ask for it.

"The reason this forum has gone to sh!t is simple. It used to be made up of people who were passionate about bagging attractive women. They had FUN doing this...it wasn't an obligation for them. They didn't feel like they had to be "players" to be cool. They did it because they loved it.

Now it's made up of people who aren't DRIVEN to get women, but feel like they OUGHT to because of the pressure society puts on us to mate. So they gather here and whine about how hard it is, get VERY good advice, go out, DON'T apply it, and then whine some more. They don't have FUN talking to women. But they listened to enough hip-hop to learn that, "If you ain't a playa wif 6 bichizz in da bed, you ain't cool".

Or maybe they read Pook blog posts like this one...

http://dapook.blogspot.com/2007/12/radicalism-of-vilar-8-even-in-sex-man.html

Even though he has abandoned this style of thinking recently there is still wisdom in it.

In anycase though like others have already told you before I squirrels...

"Be the change you want to see in the world" or rather the forum.

(I think the first part of that is a Ghandi quote for anyone interested but I'm not sure.)

Yeah though if you don't like a certain way something is going Squirrels you can either follow Karma's advice and don't let the door hit you on the way out or you can re-focus your energy on some positive contributions. You know. Something you would like to see more of here. I know this is the attitude I've taken on other forums when I felt strongly they needed to shift focus in a different direction. I didn't sit there and b!tch and whine about it. I posted and posted and posted until I either got banned or the forum shifted its focus because they could see the wisdom of what I was saying.

Its like you said earlier don't talk about it do it. Make your change if you can by posting the way you think posts should be made here. I do remember a time when you were quite a bit more positive. Maybe all you need to do is reclaim that, make positivity your cause and message again as well as turning the focus back on what you'd like to see here in posts. Even if the forum experiences no drastic shift from what you do it can become more balanced out and thats really what being a DJ is all about. Balance. You doing this as opposed to whining benefits not only you but the board and your fellow posters.

Your positive style has always been a bit too "hot headed" for my taste but it has helped people so I hope to see that Squirrels or an even better one return if you are to remain on the forum with us.

"So there's only ONE reasonable conclusion...most of you guys on here just AREN'T THAT PASSIONATE about women, but are too insecure in your masculinity and social image to admit that there are things you'd rather be doing than wasting energy on chicks. So you come up with these grand theories to make it LOOK like you understand women, and then turn and run the other way when a girl comes into the room."

Or maybe we realize as Interceptor so eloquently said that if our inner game is not sound we will fail in all areas of our life women included so the focus has shifted here to improving on that and it is a good shift in my opinion. We've had a lot of guys come back here from the supposed "golden age" talking about how it helped them but they fell flat on their face when they reverted back to their AFC mindset. And why did they revert back to AFCdom? Simply because they never worked out their inner issues ie inner game. In other words they were only playing at being a DJ not actually being a DJ and believing in it as something to embrace for a total life change. DJ to them was merely a technique not a way of life.

"You have all the tools you need to get what you want from women. The only thing that will make it happen, though, is when YOU DECIDE that you WANT a woman bad enough to use those tools. Until then, you're just blowing hot air out your face-hole when you talk about chicks.

That's why Pook left. Because life is out THERE. Not in HERE."

If he did not believe in the value of sites like this he would not of created his blog to continue his works for people's benefit.

A counter argument could be made that no he only made the blog for himself but if that were the case he could just as easily use wordpad and not have his messages posted up for the world and those interested to see.

[Jitterbug]

squirrels,

I haven't been here that long (lurked for a year before signing up) so excuse my ignorance, but I thought that there are few FRs here because there's no privacy and the FRs are indexed, cached and searchable on the Internet, open to the world. I post all of my FRs on a small members-only seduction subforum of another site. I'd still cut out names & so on, but I prefer to be specific with some details, and don't want those to be visible to the public.

I treat my FRs like a blog for myself to look back and see where I was at. I personally don't find reading other people's FRs very useful, as words can only describe so much.

As for tips & information, I don't know if we need more. I mean, there are more than enough in The Archives & the Don Juan Tips sections. Whenever I'm about to ask a question, I usually look up the answer first in those sections and I always find one. Applying the lessons there is hard though. If everyone here actually goes through the DJ Bible and applies its lessons in their dealing with women, there probably won't be much discussion needed on this forum at all.

Some people used those skills they learned here, became successful and moved on. Life is much more than getting women. Some decided to stick around and help the young ones. Some never learn their lessons and just keep hitting the same walls over and over again. That sounds like...pretty much every area in life to me. I don't see the reason to get so worked up over it. If you don't like how this place is now, take a break or move on. This place isn't perfect. It has some good things and some bad things. Take what you find useful for yourself, give back some knowledge that you've accumulated, and chuck away the negatives.

[My Name is Nobody]

The two posts by women, which each have 5 or more pages of replies, showing how much guys on here are just dying to look good in the face of women like iqqi, who is probably an ugly tramp herself?




I have a feeling in my gut Iqqi is hot, and my gut never lies! At least I don't think it does. Maybe that's not my gut.. damn I need to get laid.

[Technical1]

When I first came here and saw Rollo, RedPill, Joekerr31, Victory Unlimited, Francisco D'Anconia, STR8UP, Interceptor, Reset and Karma Sutra discussing relationship dynamics, I knew that these ARE the glory days, IMO. These guys hit so many deep topics:

1. Branch swinging (STR8UP)
2. Being the "A" guy versus the "B" guy (STR8UP)
3. Feminine Social Conventions (Rollo)
4. The Desire Dynamic (Rollo)
5. Spinning Plates (Rollo)
6. Playing the Protector role, not depending on your woman (Joekerr)

Just to name a few. This is deep stuff, WAY deeper than lay reports and techniques and tips. If I have success with a girl, why would other guys care about that specific situation? I cant say the reason why it worked, the situation is too specific and she probably just wanted it to happen, whereas the same approach doesnt work in another situation because the other girl was in a different mindset.

If you want techniques, EVERYTHING has been said in the archives: from voice tone, style of walking, colognes and dress styles or ideas for dates. Its all there.

I also think the good feelings attached to the beginning years of this forum stem from the fact that there were less posters, more naivete and enthusiasm, and just the freshness of any endeavor that just starts up. The stuff from the old days isnt that profound, Ive been reading the threads from 2001-2003, they're good but often just the same stuff you see today.

The stuff Squirrells is complaining about is just an exaggerated look at the negative aspects of the site, coming from a mindset that locks onto negative stuff. "Hero worship, self-proclaimed philosophical geniuses." A negative nancy will find the bad in anything, even something as awesome as this place.

[taiyuu_otoko]

:crackup:

Which part?

The two posts by women, which each have 5 or more pages of replies, showing how much guys on here are just dying to look good in the face of women like iqqi, who is probably an ugly tramp herself?

Or maybe the three or four live threads about why women are flaking on the first or second date?

Or maybe you're talking about the threads about people who are 40 and haven't had sex in years and are lamenting about how hard "the game" is?

Or maybe the people who hero-worship Rollo Tomassi and call women "plates" like it makes them sound enlightened?

No, wait...you must be talking about the people who yammer on about the "feminatrix" and whine about how men are so oppressed and how life sucks for us and we were dealt a raw hand. You know, instead of getting up and doing something about it.

Or maybe you're talking about all the self-proclaimed philosophical geniuses who want to tell the world how life works, even though they struggle at it so much that they haunt a forum built around guys who can't get chicks.



The reason this forum has gone to sh!t is simple. It used to be made up of people who were passionate about bagging attractive women. They had FUN doing this...it wasn't an obligation for them. They didn't feel like they had to be "players" to be cool. They did it because they loved it.

Now it's made up of people who aren't DRIVEN to get women, but feel like they OUGHT to because of the pressure society puts on us to mate. So they gather here and whine about how hard it is, get VERY good advice, go out, DON'T apply it, and then whine some more. They don't have FUN talking to women. But they listened to enough hip-hop to learn that, "If you ain't a playa wif 6 bichizz in da bed, you ain't cool".

It's very easy to stack good advice on top of good advice until your problem makes very clear sense. But it seems that very few people here are willing to take ACTION to rectify that problem, even after simplifying it down to the minutiae.

So there's only ONE reasonable conclusion...most of you guys on here just AREN'T THAT PASSIONATE about women, but are too insecure in your masculinity and social image to admit that there are things you'd rather be doing than wasting energy on chicks. So you come up with these grand theories to make it LOOK like you understand women, and then turn and run the other way when a girl comes into the room.


You have all the tools you need to get what you want from women. The only thing that will make it happen, though, is when YOU DECIDE that you WANT a woman bad enough to use those tools. Until then, you're just blowing hot air out your face-hole when you talk about chicks.


That's why Pook left. Because life is out THERE. Not in HERE.

reps for that. good post.

[Luveno]

What's with all the man-crushing on Pook?

He wrote a few good posts. So what?

[KarmaSutra]

What's with all the man-crushing on Pook?

He wrote a few good posts. So what?

I don't bash the guy. Don't mistake. I have a hard time with taking serious anyone who is ascended to a throne.

Especially an internet throne.

[squirrels]

squirrels,

I haven't been here that long (lurked for a year before signing up) so excuse my ignorance, but I thought that there are few FRs here because there's no privacy and the FRs are indexed, cached and searchable on the Internet, open to the world. I post all of my FRs on a small members-only seduction subforum of another site. I'd still cut out names & so on, but I prefer to be specific with some details, and don't want those to be visible to the public.



Oh no, anything but that! God forbid people know that you LIKE GIRLS!

It makes me chuckle every time I see someone say, "Oh no! My girlfriend found this site! What do I do?!" You do NOTHING. She should be happy you're looking for ways to please her. Anyone who's going to hate you for being sexual or hate you for wanting to improve yourself doesn't deserve your time.


This is deep stuff, WAY deeper than lay reports and techniques and tips.


What difference does it make how "deep" it is? Is it worth anything to you besides its innate philosophical value? Who cares if it's "deep"? Are you writing an epic novel or socializing with women? None of my encounters with women have ever been "deep"...in fact, "depth" is what's driven every one of them AWAY.


If I have success with a girl, why would other guys care about that specific situation?


Then why have a forum devoted to it?

I also think the good feelings attached to the beginning years of this forum
stem from the fact that there were less posters, more naivete and enthusiasm, and just the freshness of any endeavor that just starts up.


Absolutely!

The stuff from the old days isnt that profound, Ive been reading the threads from 2001-2003, they're good but often just the same stuff you see today.

Why is "profundity" so important to you? Why do you feel a need to be exposed to or write something that's "profound"? Critters have been f*cking, mating, pairing, and having babies long before the Golden Age of Philosophy.

Methinks that you need "profundity" because you're not comfortable with the way you attach so much importance to mating unless there IS something profound about it.

Stop looking at advice as good or bad based on how "profound" or "enlightened" it is. We are losing ourselves in the labelling and the evaluation and losing sight of the "living" part of things.



The stuff Squirrells is complaining about is just an exaggerated look at the negative aspects of the site, coming from a mindset that locks onto negative stuff. "Hero worship, self-proclaimed philosophical geniuses." A negative nancy will find the bad in anything, even something as awesome as this place.

"This place"? It's a forum. On the INTERNET. It's not a place. It's a collection of ideas. You don't EXIST here. It's like saying your cellphone is a "place". It's a communications medium.

[iqqi]

Awwwww, hellll nawwww....
<plays Kelis F#ck them B!tches in backround as theme music...>

Disclaimer to Allen: I have been personally called out here, and the rest of what follows shall relate directly to previous posts that were made in this thread. Because it is a bunch of bullsh!t. Feel free to PM me and say IQ! Please refrain on this one. Respectfully yours, the iq.

The two posts by women, which each have 5 or more pages of replies, showing how much guys on here are just dying to look good in the face of women like iqqi, who is probably an ugly tramp herself?

You know what, I don't really appreciate you insulting me for no reason whatsover. WTF does it MATTER what I look like. And why would you blatantly insult me, for what purpose. That is flame baiting, son. For what? Because I have a post with 5 pages of replies? Did you reply? No? Then what? What.

What are you posting? Nuttin?

You are mad because some chick or two has a thread that got some replies. Guess what!? Not all of my posts get pages and pages worth of replies. Some do! I'd imagine because maybe there is something worth discussing, whether it be difference in perspective, or some actual discussion going on. Also, another newsflash, almost ALL the threads in the MM forum get up to a few pages long.

To insult me because I am a chick with a thread in the MM forum, is .... for what? I don't make that many threads, so... what? Your point again?

Put out or get out.

As for the rest of your whiny post:

Or maybe the three or four live threads about why women are flaking on the first or second date?

Guess what! This is the mystery of dating that fvcks with EVERYONE! All the time! It is NEVER going to go away, because noone is ever going to get it! It is the one thing that will fvck with EVERYONE who is dating and single's head at one point or/and another. So what else should people be asking?? Hmm? I don't know what you would say to that because... you don't post! So... stfu!

Or maybe you're talking about the threads about people who are 40 and haven't had sex in years and are lamenting about how hard "the game" is?

Yeah, it kind of is lame... but what are YOU doing about it?

Or maybe the people who hero-worship Rollo Tomassi and call women "plates" like it makes them sound enlightened?

The only thing worse than hero worship is self worship.

Speaking of...I hate to call you out, but it must be done. KARMA SUTRA, it is not something to be proud of that you have

I've never read a Pook post in my life. Not one.

Don't plan to either.

I mean... why not? Because so many people look up to him and idolize him? Are you... rebelling? To me, it sounds like jealousy.

Let me tell some of you a little something. Pook and Senor Fingers are the best two posters to EVER grace this forum, flat out, upside down, and sideways.

Pook has an understanding of life that many people will never have, he is in fact, a genius. He is a legend for a reason. Reading his threads are like going to a play and leaving with a new understanding of everything around you. So don't read his posts, whatever, it isn't hurting him or the thousands of other people who have read his posts, in any way. Really you are only hurting yourself. And I say this, because to turn away from anything that could enlighten your life just because ____________ (or I will fill it in for you... jealousy) is kind of silly.

And then to brag about it in a coy little manner, when you haven't even bothered to check it out, is just plain ignorant. And noone here's rep points mean squat diddly until Pook and Fingz are at the top of that list, anyways. They both should get that second little green block just off of principal alone.

Some of you have a penchant to get into your little buddy system, and try to bring others down, so that there is a sort of "if you can't beat em, join em" mentality going on. Slap each other on the back, say how great you are, rep each other because you are buddies and no other reason such as say meaningful topics, and mention how you never saw any reason to ever read a Pook post. Pook is part of why sosuave is what it is.

There are some damned good posters here now in 2008, but none of them can hold a candle to some of Pook's profound wisdoms he shared with us here.

You make some great posts, KS, but in my eyes, (not that it matters to you I know), you have a long way to go on your journey to true enlightenment.

Back to squirrels and his melodramatics...

No, wait...you must be talking about the people who yammer on about the "feminatrix" and whine about how men are so oppressed and how life sucks for us and we were dealt a raw hand. You know, instead of getting up and doing something about it.

Or maybe you're talking about all the self-proclaimed philosophical geniuses who want to tell the world how life works, even though they struggle at it so much that they haunt a forum built around guys who can't get chicks.

What the HECK are you doing about it?!

I know when I came back here late last year, I came out with guns ablazing, and called a few whiners names like pvssy and AFC, but I HAD A GOAL.

What is yours?

I saw that same exact crap, and was like WTF is going on here at sosuave?? So I DID something. Sure, I made some long lasting enemies who to this very day like to throw stones (sticks and stones...) but I wasn't here to join any frat clubs. My numero uno goal then, and now, was to combat the misogyny and bitter soul sucking attitudes on this forum. Because that attitude won't get you ANYWHERE, not with women, and not with yourself.

Some may have taken my "abrasive" tone to heart, but I have smoothed the edges a little, because I still have the same very mission. And I see improvement! I see a whole sh!tload of improvement, if I do say so myself. The fact more and more posters are seeing the misogyny and saying something must be done, means SCORE for me. Not because I hate men, because I love men, and hate to see what misplaced and moldy harboured resentment does to them.

I have even brought BACK a legendary poster (yes yes, I take all the credit for that), and am still doing what I can to bring other great posters from years ago back. Unfortunately most of them take a lurk-see, and say "sorry. this sh!t sucks. how can you stay?!" <------- and you all know its because I have a thick skin. :)

I see a problem too, but the difference between me and you is that I can grab my (non-existent) B@LLS, and try to do something about it. Sticks and stones and everything else thrown my way. It isn't easy!

What are YOU doing? Nuttin? Stfu.



The reason this forum has gone to sh!t is simple. It used to be made up of people who were passionate about bagging attractive women. They had FUN doing this...it wasn't an obligation for them. They didn't feel like they had to be "players" to be cool. They did it because they loved it.



Here is a thought. Did you ever stop to think that maybe all of the original posters were recruited by Allen? That would make a difference, wouldn't it? Now it is what you make it. And I don't see you making sh!t but snively @ss posts like this one. How 'bout you head over to the MM forum right now and make a post that you think should be there?

In the words of the great Kelis:

Keep my name out your mouth
I'll keep my foot out your butt
'cause you don't know whassup
So mind ya b-i-z and shut the f**k up!

[ThunderMaverick]

Jesus christ.

I didn't even read all of that.

Was all that just you defending yourself?

Christ.

[taiyuu_otoko]

well, you get what you pay for I guess. I was part of an internet dating forum about 10 years ago that was HEAVILY moderated. But you had to buy a product to be a member, and unless you posted completely relavent posts with specific questions relating to REAL WORLD ACTIONS you couldn't post.

Fast forward to now when everyone and their frikking mother is online, and you got all kinds of free dating forums, and you have a much higher percentage of philosophizing KJ,s or married guys and gals looking for validation. You just gotta see it for what it is (kind of like reality, hey?) and interact accordingly, based on what you want out of it. If it means filtering through all the nonsense to get to the one valuable post once or twice a week, so be it.

:cheer:

[iqqi]

Jesus christ.

I didn't even read all of that.

Was all that just you defending yourself?

Christ.

Like... the first line.

The rest if you READ it, is defending the forum. Sosuave is what the posters make it. All of us who are here regularly, are what shapes this place. To make a thread about how it is going to hell in a handbasket (a nicely woven one, thank you to all the new LS women folk ;) ), when you aren't doing ANYTHING to contribute, or guide it to where you think it should be, is POINTLESS.

squirrels blasts the forum, says its nothing more an advanced cellphone device (which he made sound so insulting), and you all call ME a troll.

I know I am going to catch heat for my comments to KS (and I am going to hide under a bush for a bit so I miss the missiles), but what a fvcked up attitude to have. Don't misrepresent (for no reason) one of the best posters ever (for a great reason). Why would you do that?

And as for squirrels, he has been here long enough to KNOW better. The day he starts contributing to this forum is the day he can huff and puff and try to blow it all down.

[KontrollerX]

The post you made just now was actually pretty damn good iqqi.

Thought the ending song part was kind of corny but eh to me chick music usually is.

In anycase good work.