“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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The Psychiatry of Don Juanism

Deep Dish

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There's a skeleton in my closet which few people know about. I have Asperger Syndrome, which is high functioning autism. This fact always surprises people because I come off as a completely normal guy, but the fact is the disorder completely dominates my life. Fortunately, I fair pretty well in life as long as I remain self-aware of certain behaviors, such as to let subjects drop, talk about what people want to talk about (rather than be Encyclopedia Britannica), keep my voice at appropriate levels, show appreciation, etc. And not to violate unwritten social rules. As long as I feel I'm in control of the disorder rather be helpless to it, I seem to do well.

The one problematic area has been social anxiety and a consequent mild depression because of it. For a wide variety of reasons, people don't understand me, I misunderstand them, communication gaffes are frequent, and I often get too wrapped up in analyzing things. Imagine if you were living in Russia and everything was so bizarre and you didn't know how to react to certain gestures, situations, etc. That's my life.

Not much is known about Asperger Syndrome, but I figured out that I probably have low levels of serotonin. So, starting on New Year's Eve, I started a regime of the dietary supplement 5-HTP (the precursor to serotonin) along with vitamin B-6 (helps the conversion). There are no noticeable side effects and the stuff really does work, although I don't take doses on a daily basis and only before socializing, to minimize the build-up of tolerance and save money.

It's been four weeks and my social life has seen drastic improvement. I feel much more at ease, negative thoughts have almost entirely disappeared, and I greatly suspect my non-verbal body language has completely changed for the better. I went from having zero prospects in the past two years to ladies coming out of the woodwork. I didn't do it for success with the ladies, but I cannot deny its influence.

But yet, drug / medical solutions to self-improvement is rather taboo. The sentiment from others is usually along the lines of "You probably don't need that shyt." In fact, I remember years ago when STR8UP posted about having started some anti-depressant and the replies were largely negative, if I remember correctly. But for all the insight about thinking correctly, "You are what you think", and the self-fulfilling nature to beliefs in regards to sexing the ladies; for all the insight about self-reliance and non-dependence, one must acknowledge that no amount of thinking can correct chemical imbalances of the brain. After all, about one out of five people have some form of mental illness / disorder and while most are functional enough to not need therapy, it speaks to how prevalent are problems of the mind.

Yes, I believe people ought to minimize the dependence of medicine in their lives, but for some it can prove to be tremendously beneficial and ought not be dismissed out of hand. :)
 

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Great post, Deep Dish. You have to be discerning about who you ask for medical advice and opinion. Some things are better left off the boards.

I have often wondered if I have some similar condition. I knew exactly what you were talking about in your second paragraph. I often find it difficult to relate to people and socialize without feeling awkward. I dont know if I just have an unusual personality or if there is a legit psychiatric explaination. I dont find it debillitating, but...i know what you mean. On the surface women say i seem like the type of guy who should fall ass-backwards into pu$sy, but that's not the case.

I really, really believe it boils down to attitude and social ability. Some guys just have it. Others can develop it, and yet there is a few who seem to be biochemically imbalanced in such a way that it prevents them from getting there without medical or supplemental intervention.

Just my .02
 

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5-HTP?? I thought that was a very mild sleep aid for jet lag.
 

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Remind me to pour you 2 martinis next time,..


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Nothing but love,...
 

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I started taking St. John's Wort recently. It felt like some of the negativity in my head was clearing, but it seems to be snapping back in full lately. I'd be lying if I said I hadn't talked to my doctor about stepping up to some "real" antidepressants.

At the same time, I believe a lot of my negative feelings lately are a result of the way I think, rather than simple brain chemistry. But even though my way of thinking leads me to a depressed mood and feelings of "unworthiness", I can't necessarily say that that way of thinking is "wrong".
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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5HTP is good.
Theanine has had some good reviews.
B Complex vitamins are a necessity too.
Omega 3s
And most definitely Acetyl L Carnitine.

Meditation is a good adjunct to chemical treament.
Deep and controlled breathing is also very good.

Ultmately chemical imbalances need to be adressed seriously, and no one shoudl be ridiculed or emasculated for feeling these things, whether chemical imbalance or not.
 

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DISH, my brother, you're fine. Yours is one of the most inquisite, sensitive minds I've ever come to know.

Rollo can slam martini's down your gullet. I'll chase those with spicy tuna handrolls.

You're tops in my book young brother.
 

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts Deep Dish:up:

LoneSilver :up:

Deep Dish said:
There's a skeleton in my closet which few people know about. I have Asperger Syndrome, which is high functioning autism. This fact always surprises people because I come off as a completely normal guy, but the fact is the disorder completely dominates my life. Fortunately, I fair pretty well in life as long as I remain self-aware of certain behaviors, such as to let subjects drop, talk about what people want to talk about (rather than be Encyclopedia Britannica), keep my voice at appropriate levels, show appreciation, etc. And not to violate unwritten social rules. As long as I feel I'm in control of the disorder rather be helpless to it, I seem to do well.

The one problematic area has been social anxiety and a consequent mild depression because of it. For a wide variety of reasons, people don't understand me, I misunderstand them, communication gaffes are frequent, and I often get too wrapped up in analyzing things. Imagine if you were living in Russia and everything was so bizarre and you didn't know how to react to certain gestures, situations, etc. That's my life.

Not much is known about Asperger Syndrome, but I figured out that I probably have low levels of serotonin. So, starting on New Year's Eve, I started a regime of the dietary supplement 5-HTP (the precursor to serotonin) along with vitamin B-6 (helps the conversion). There are no noticeable side effects and the stuff really does work, although I don't take doses on a daily basis and only before socializing, to minimize the build-up of tolerance and save money.

It's been four weeks and my social life has seen drastic improvement. I feel much more at ease, negative thoughts have almost entirely disappeared, and I greatly suspect my non-verbal body language has completely changed for the better. I went from having zero prospects in the past two years to ladies coming out of the woodwork. I didn't do it for success with the ladies, but I cannot deny its influence.

But yet, drug / medical solutions to self-improvement is rather taboo. The sentiment from others is usually along the lines of "You probably don't need that shyt." In fact, I remember years ago when STR8UP posted about having started some anti-depressant and the replies were largely negative, if I remember correctly. But for all the insight about thinking correctly, "You are what you think", and the self-fulfilling nature to beliefs in regards to sexing the ladies; for all the insight about self-reliance and non-dependence, one must acknowledge that no amount of thinking can correct chemical imbalances of the brain. After all, about one out of five people have some form of mental illness / disorder and while most are functional enough to not need therapy, it speaks to how prevalent are problems of the mind.

Yes, I believe people ought to minimize the dependence of medicine in their lives, but for some it can prove to be tremendously beneficial and ought not be dismissed out of hand. :)
 

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Deep Dish, do you exercise regularly?

I only ask because I also have serotonin problems and have fought chronic insomnia my whole life.

Ever since adopting cardio into my daily routine (no gyms, just running, biking and calisthenics) I sleep better than I ever had.

Also worth noting: I've been teaching my wife Qi Gong massage and she is getting really good at it.. I sleep like a baby after a good session. Apparently massage also has an effect on your serotonin.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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5-htp is the deal..it works...when i got off it...I noticed an immediate change in emotional stability and happiness.

i would go back on it...but I want to achieve that naturally again
 

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KontrollerX said:
Yeah you always seemed normal to me too Deep Dish.
Oh yea, Dish is a normal guy.

I can relate to the social anxiety thing. Zoloft's side effects SUCKED so I stopped taking it, but there's no doubt in my mind that it got rid of a good chunk of my social anxiety to this day.

Recently I was under tremendous stress at work and decided to be proactive in avoiding full blown depression, so I went back on an anti depressant (Welbutrin) and at first it seemed to help even me out, but then after awhile I felt like it was "turning" on me and things started getting worse.

Got off the Welbutrin and the doc wanted me to stay on something so she gave me Lexapro, which I am currently taking. No real side effects but I'm not sure how much it is helping anymore. I'm gonna see if she will up my dosage, and if that doesn't help I might jump off altogether and see how it goes, since my life is getting closer to being back to normal again.

Besides, the good doc still gives me the Clonazepam (like a Valium or Xanax) which helps me sleep and I take it situationally for anxiety :)

My only regret is waiting until i was in my mid 30's to treat my social anxiety, because it really held me back a lot in life.
 

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STR8UP-

you should really look into 5-htp.

I took 150 to 200 mg a day..after 3 days I could tell a huge diff in attitude and relaxation.
 

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squirrels said:
But even though my way of thinking leads me to a depressed mood and feelings of "unworthiness", I can't necessarily say that that way of thinking is "wrong".

There are studies showing that depressed people have a more REALISTIC view of their place in the world. It's like you have to puff yourself up to be happy.
 

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Has anyone used the Kava herb?
There was enough negative clinical data produced on kava to merit it being discontinued as a supplement by most companies that sell supplements, and few stores carry it. I'd certainly stay away from it. I think a Google search on it will confirm this.

Interestingly, my key to 'happiness' so to speak wasn't the usage of any of the products mentioned above, but actually the discontinued use of one: caffeine! I was taking so much caffeine for so long that, one day, I just decided to stop taking it, and see what happened. I got the worst headache that you can possibly imagine. And right then and there, I decided to just about eliminate it. And doing so got rid of my insomnia, and made really made me a happier person.
 

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Deep Dish said:
So, starting on New Year's Eve, I started a regime of the dietary supplement 5-HTP (the precursor to serotonin) along with vitamin B-6 (helps the conversion). There are no noticeable side effects and the stuff really does work, although I don't take doses on a daily basis and only before socializing, to minimize the build-up of tolerance and save money.

It's been four weeks and my social life has seen drastic improvement. I feel much more at ease, negative thoughts have almost entirely disappeared, and I greatly suspect my non-verbal body language has completely changed for the better. I went from having zero prospects in the past two years to ladies coming out of the woodwork. I didn't do it for success with the ladies, but I cannot deny its influence.

:)
I dont know of your condition. I do know a great deal of serotonin and hormonal imbalances.

An alternate route to 5-HTP is a testosterone and GH Booster. Men with higher free testosterone and growth hormone levels have a better mood, state of well being and higher overall serotonin levels.

I would implement a vigorous work out routine and diet plan high in protein , and mono unsaturated fats. This alone can boost your T levels up to 250% and GH levels up to 400%.

If you have had success with 5-HTP , you will definitely see a significant improvement with the suggested advice.

I cannot function when my training and dieting stops. It is a part of my life.

I would also suggest to get a blood test to check your T and GF-1 levels to see if part of the problem is due to an insufficient production of hormones.
 

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Antidepressents = evil. Atleast in my experience and opinion. I've never ever taken one or plan on taking any. I have been around people that took them on a regular basis. I had a former roomate once try to choke me and fight me when he was all liquoured up and on Zoloft. I didn't even provoke him or show him any malice. We stopping being roomates after that.
 

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Ironically, I utterly despise the field of alternative medicine. It's replete with quackery, fraud, and unproven claims. As I always say, remedies which truly work are absorbed into mainstream medicine, so by sticking around in alternative medicine means something is probably wrong. 5-HTP definitely does do what it claims but its long-term effectiveness is largely unknown and unproven. A build-up in tolerance is very rapid and most people, it seems, report it stops working entirely after about a few weeks. I'm cautiously optimistic.
Phyzzle:
5-HTP?? I thought that was a very mild sleep aid for jet lag.
In addition to serotonin, it produces melatonin. When I first started, I would pass out at 8pm every evening and sleep like a log.
Senor Fingers:
Deep Dish, do you exercise regularly?
As much as I hate to say it, I don't.
wolf116:
I have a social anxiety problem and I looking into getting drugs/supplements for it. Dose the 5-htp help with the anxiety or just happiness?
Only speaking for myself, I tend to think that it alleviates the anxiety but the happiness is still up to me to deliver.
 

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guru1000 said:
I dont know of your condition. I do know a great deal of serotonin and hormonal imbalances.

An alternate route to 5-HTP is a testosterone and GH Booster. Men with higher free testosterone and growth hormone levels have a better mood, state of well being and higher overall serotonin levels.

I would implement a vigorous work out routine and diet plan high in protein , and mono unsaturated fats. This alone can boost your T levels up to 250% and GH levels up to 400%.

If you have had success with 5-HTP , you will definitely see a significant improvement with the suggested advice.

I cannot function when my training and dieting stops. It is a part of my life.

I would also suggest to get a blood test to check your T and GF-1 levels to see if part of the problem is due to an insufficient production of hormones.
Thanks, I'll try to keep that in mind. :D
 

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guru1000 said:
I would also suggest to get a blood test to check your T and GF-1 levels to see if part of the problem is due to an insufficient production of hormones.
Doc ran a T check on me and it came back normal.

I just need to get my ass back into the gym, cut about 20+lbs of fat, then put it back on in muscle with a bulking routine. I've already modified my diet and gotten myself under 2000 calories per day, and I am losing weight, but I need to get on the stationary bike several days a week for a couple of months then hit the weights and the protein and I'll be all set.

I know that a LOT of my mood and such could be improved with a workout regimen, I just have to make the time and get back into the routine.
 
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