What is the most effective martial art in your opinion? There are alot of debates to this being that every martial arts has its pluses and minuses. Me personally I feel that Brazilian jiu-jitsu is by far the most effective martial art for a streetfight. Reason being even if your weaker than your opponent you can use leverage to win the fight. What do you guys think? Lets discuss.
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Brazilian Jui-jitsu is no the most effective for a street fight. Street fighting and organised full contact cage fighting is a totally different thing.Most people dont know how to fight. You not going to ever really go to ground. People will often come at you with something, or just throw a punch or two.
The best martial arts for self defense would be something that includes striking, disarming and holds, which does not require years of practice like Kung Fu or Akido would. IMO:
1) Krag Magna - Israeli combat training and self defense
2) Systema - Russian combat training for elite KGB.
3) Boxing - no better striking art. Period
Systema is probably one of the most devasting arts of the lot. Simply because it teaches you not to block strikes, but to take them with rolls and body motions to limit damage. Its used for real life situtations, not some guy calling you out in the parking lot for a fist fight.
Without a doubt the most phsyically demanding martial art of them all. Most people cant cope with the training
The best martial arts for self defense would be something that includes striking, disarming and holds, which does not require years of practice like Kung Fu or Akido would. IMO:
1) Krag Magna - Israeli combat training and self defense
2) Systema - Russian combat training for elite KGB.
3) Boxing - no better striking art. Period
Systema is probably one of the most devasting arts of the lot. Simply because it teaches you not to block strikes, but to take them with rolls and body motions to limit damage. Its used for real life situtations, not some guy calling you out in the parking lot for a fist fight.
Without a doubt the most phsyically demanding martial art of them all. Most people cant cope with the training
If a bjj practictioner wants to go to the ground than he will take it there without any problems. people come at you they throw a punch you slip, get into a clinch take it to the ground and mount the guy and its over from there.AgonyUncle said:
I do not believe in arts that disarm people. Even at my Gracie school they do a little bit of that but if a guy has a gun in reallife and wants to kill you lets be serious we will not disarm them.
BTW Boxing is not the best stand up style. Muythai is. In boxing you have two weapons your fists. In muythai you have 8 fists, Elbows, Knees, shins.
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All due respect, but lets think of this practically.lookyoung said:
If its me vs some random dude, why would I want to take him to ground and break every joint in his body? I dont want to imobalise the guy with us both on the ground. I want to knock his lights out and end it within a second or two. Breaking bones is not solving the problem, it leads to court cases. You cant claim self defense when you are snapping joints
Most people who like to go out looking for fights are loud mouth drunks trying to impress their mates. Im not going to grapple with the guy. Im going to clock him. Simple. These guys are bawlers.
Chances are, you may have more then one person to contend with too. Being on the ground is a problem then. I dont want to be getting kicked to pieces while I wait for his mate to either pass out or tap out.
When it comes to art vs art, then you are 100% orrect. Gracie JJ in particular is without a doubt the most destructive of all arts. Thai boxing is the best striking art. A combination of the two creates a fighter to be reckoned with. But this is for fighters against fighters. Real fighters are not looking to fight strangers for kicks. They dont have anything to prove.
However, from a self defense point of view, they are just no where near as practical as classic boxing, systema or Krav maga would be. Im biased towards Systema, but thats only because I have seen guys go from dweebs to confident people within 3-6 months.
There is a reason why special forces use combat training instead of traditional martial arts. Combat training cant be topped for self defense
Now many of the military are actually using BJJ. I look at like this the perfect way to end a fight is not by a strike or a submission were you break the guys bones. When you strike somone especially with a closed fist than you have a great chance of breaking the bones in your hands. Also striking someone is brutal.AgonyUncle said:
And if you break a guys arm than he could sue you. The best way to beat someone is to choke them out. Via the guilotine. Put them to sleep.
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And what if you are having a quiet beer with the missus and two loud mouths start giving her hassles? You going to choke them out?
BJJ is superb. I have nothing but respect for it. A BJJ /thai boxer would own a systema trained person in most cases. It does not mean its practical in real life situations though. If you are looking to see MMA as a sport, then you are on the right track with thai boxing and JJ.
Most street fights DONT go to ground unless they are both mugs or one guy has been knocked down and someone is on top of him. In both those cases, KM and Systema would teach you how to grapple.
Do some research into systema. Its a very interesting art.
BJJ is superb. I have nothing but respect for it. A BJJ /thai boxer would own a systema trained person in most cases. It does not mean its practical in real life situations though. If you are looking to see MMA as a sport, then you are on the right track with thai boxing and JJ.
Most street fights DONT go to ground unless they are both mugs or one guy has been knocked down and someone is on top of him. In both those cases, KM and Systema would teach you how to grapple.
Do some research into systema. Its a very interesting art.
Don't know much about systema but will look into it. I would say any fighting style is better than none.AgonyUncle said:
For multiple opponents I feel there is no style that is really effective. I would probably say boxing for multiple opponents. Punching is the quickest strike and if you have that natural born power and explosiveness in your fists than I feel that would probably be the most effective.
For one on one Grappling. For multiple opponents striking. Thanks for the feedback.
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It's Krav Maga.AgonyUncle said:
And to be effective, you need a stand up art, and a ground art. Bjj is good, but not if your opponent is just throwing hands.
Any combination of Muay Thai/boxing/kickboxing and GrecoRoman/wrestling/BJJ will see you right in most fights.
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Combat arts like KM and Systema incorporate both ground and striking! No need to learn more then one art. You practice systema, you are a well rounded fighter on both foot and ground
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systema
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Is he going to cream a MMA cage fighter? Probably not. But most people have no desire to do that. They only want to learn how to protect themselves in as short a time period as possible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systema
www.russianmartialart.com
Is he going to cream a MMA cage fighter? Probably not. But most people have no desire to do that. They only want to learn how to protect themselves in as short a time period as possible.
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havent we been over this a million times?
ask any bouncer, or hell ask Bas Rutten, and the answer is clear: focus on a striknig art, either boxing or muay thai, and couple it with a graplling sports, perferably freestyle wrestling.
done.
but remember, no sport will fully help you defend yourself. ther eis always bigger, stronger, crazier people ready to kick your ass. your best options:
1) avoid fight
2) run away
3) use any weapon you can find
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10) use oyur martial arts training
ask any bouncer, or hell ask Bas Rutten, and the answer is clear: focus on a striknig art, either boxing or muay thai, and couple it with a graplling sports, perferably freestyle wrestling.
done.
but remember, no sport will fully help you defend yourself. ther eis always bigger, stronger, crazier people ready to kick your ass. your best options:
1) avoid fight
2) run away
3) use any weapon you can find
...
10) use oyur martial arts training
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Glock-fu. One in the body and two in the head, works 100%lookyoung said:
Best advice yet.6-heads lewis said:
and for Systema,,,,,,don't do it.
read this:
http://aliveness101.blogspot.com/2005/07/why-aliveness.html
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It always cracks me up when the MA instructors do the disarm drill, they invariably have the gun-wielder standing there like a manniquin with the gun in the instructors face or right behind their head/back. In real life if the gun is that far out you're probably already dead or bleeding out.lookyoung said:
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get a gun
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Wing chun, hubud, savat, kali, brazilian ji jitsu, Kimber 1911. Period.
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Get weapons training first including retention and marksmanship, then a carry permit, then a gun or two. I'm kind of interested in BJJ or some other grappling disipline that would enhance my retention training if anyone has a suggestion.just so suave said:
I regret selling my Kimber but I wouldn't use it as a concealed carry piece. Great at the range and a work of art as well though.Poonani Maker said:
Wing chun is pretty good, I think. The only problem is that it's so dangerous that you can't really practice it on other people. 
It's designed to negate (dis)advantages due to strength, and it focuses on hitting the weakest points of the body, typically with quick, light attacks that don't require much strength.
It's designed to negate (dis)advantages due to strength, and it focuses on hitting the weakest points of the body, typically with quick, light attacks that don't require much strength.lol :crackup:bigjohnson said:
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the most effective martial art for a streetfight.
Would probably include a lot of dirty fighting. KM is big on crotch kicks. I am training mma to cage fight, and as amateurs, we actually do have a few rules - no elbows, no knees to a downed opponent, no eye gouging, biting, or crotch blows. These can also be read as being effective street tactics, so effective that they are against cage fighting rules.
If you are in a street fight, that should mean that the other guy(s) started it, and you did everything possible to avoid the fight. In that case, there is no such thing as dirty fighting. Look for improvised weapons first, almost anything can be a weapon, throw dirt in eyes, rocks at head, (when I was a kid, I always had a good arm, and rocks were a great equalizer against playground bullies. I can remember being about seven years old and drawing a lot of blood from kids much bigger than me). Any weight like a rock or chunk of metal can be wrapped in a shirt or towel and swung with tremendous force. Put a pool ball in a tube sock and swing that around some time. It's lethal. Beyond weapons, you then strike to the crotch, eyes, and throat. There's not much glory in winning this way, but you do live to fight another day.
Would probably include a lot of dirty fighting. KM is big on crotch kicks. I am training mma to cage fight, and as amateurs, we actually do have a few rules - no elbows, no knees to a downed opponent, no eye gouging, biting, or crotch blows. These can also be read as being effective street tactics, so effective that they are against cage fighting rules.
If you are in a street fight, that should mean that the other guy(s) started it, and you did everything possible to avoid the fight. In that case, there is no such thing as dirty fighting. Look for improvised weapons first, almost anything can be a weapon, throw dirt in eyes, rocks at head, (when I was a kid, I always had a good arm, and rocks were a great equalizer against playground bullies. I can remember being about seven years old and drawing a lot of blood from kids much bigger than me). Any weight like a rock or chunk of metal can be wrapped in a shirt or towel and swung with tremendous force. Put a pool ball in a tube sock and swing that around some time. It's lethal. Beyond weapons, you then strike to the crotch, eyes, and throat. There's not much glory in winning this way, but you do live to fight another day.
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The most effective art is the one with the weapon, the opener and the fighter with the experience. Knife, Rattan, Gun, Pepper Spray, weapons win.
The Jeet Kun Do philosophy is the best, like Bruce Lee said, be Formless. Hybrid/Cross-Training is the best way to improve your self as a fighter. Train in what you like, and be good at it, enough said.
This debate is pointless. It will degenerate into a nuts flexing competition based on a bunch of abstract examples that most people won't deal with in real life.
And for the record, Krav Maga isn't considered a Martial Art, its a combat system developed by the IDF.
The Jeet Kun Do philosophy is the best, like Bruce Lee said, be Formless. Hybrid/Cross-Training is the best way to improve your self as a fighter. Train in what you like, and be good at it, enough said.
This debate is pointless. It will degenerate into a nuts flexing competition based on a bunch of abstract examples that most people won't deal with in real life.
And for the record, Krav Maga isn't considered a Martial Art, its a combat system developed by the IDF.
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