I'm interested in getting some of your perspectives on this. Based on quite a few of my interactions with a number of women I have approached in gyms, I have noticed that a lot of them seem to behave quite a lot like women who frequent night clubs-flaky, shallow, not very intellectual/intelligent, etc. I'm not saying that there aren't any intellectual or intelligent ones in gyms at all, I'm sure there are, but the opposite seem to outweigh them for some reason. The only difference is that as a man, you're dealing with a lot of those same attitudes during the day as opposed to at night time in clubs. I wonder what a lot of these women like about the gym scene.
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What is It About Gyms That Seems to Attract Flaky/Shallow Kinds of Women?
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just a guess, but maybe some of them are there to actually work out and not for a pick up joint ? ?
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I dunno, maybe it's just your area? A lot of the women at the local gym spend most of their time reading on the cardio machines, and it's not romance novels either.
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Most of the women at my gym...a big golds gym are fat.
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Metro3Pilot, I do certainly respect your suggestion and I don't deny it at all. But based on my personal experiences and observation, at least 80% of women who go to gyms go there because they love the attention they get from men and they love to be hit on, even if just to stroke their egos. Most of them know that they lack the strength to work out as hard as men and to develop their bodies naturally to the point that men do, anyway.
Metro3Pilot, I do certainly respect your suggestion and I don't deny it at all. But based on my personal experiences and observation, at least 80% of women who go to gyms go there because they love the attention they get from men and they love to be hit on, even if just to stroke their egos. Most of them know that they lack the strength to work out as hard as men and to develop their bodies naturally to the point that men do, anyway.
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66% of the U.S. population is overweight and a full third is classified as "morbidly obese" and the number rises every year. Assuming you live in the U.S., it is a statistical impossibility for 80% of women in gyms to be there due soley for attention and egotistic needs.
So, are they shallow or simply not interested in you approaching them, because they're insecure about their physical appearance?
So, are they shallow or simply not interested in you approaching them, because they're insecure about their physical appearance?
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The chubbs all without exception are the ones in the "fitness classes" here. All of the women who actually use the gym instead of hopping around in a basketball court are pretty fit.
All the YOUNG women. There are always senior citizens around but come on.
All the YOUNG women. There are always senior citizens around but come on.
What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.
You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.
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Our next door neighbor is a competitive bodybuilder and is notorious for dating women with ill repute character and gold diggers.
Mrs. K was talking to him about it a few days ago and told him: "Men and women who date people who are bad for them do it because they're broken on the inside and either see familiarity or believe they can save them from themselves."
So he asked if he was one of these broken people and she told him that she notices he only dates women from the gym or take good care of thier bodies and that these particular people try to fix thier outside instead of focusing on straightening out thier inner being.
He stopped and had an "AHA!" moment and asked her what she thought he should do. She then referred him to me.
He's another I'm taking on under the Karmic Structure.
Mrs. K was talking to him about it a few days ago and told him: "Men and women who date people who are bad for them do it because they're broken on the inside and either see familiarity or believe they can save them from themselves."
So he asked if he was one of these broken people and she told him that she notices he only dates women from the gym or take good care of thier bodies and that these particular people try to fix thier outside instead of focusing on straightening out thier inner being.
He stopped and had an "AHA!" moment and asked her what she thought he should do. She then referred him to me.
He's another I'm taking on under the Karmic Structure.
From time to time, I see hot chicks at my gym, but they only go to the (predominantly female) spinning and aerobics classes. Almost none lift weights or even use the treadmill. As soon as class is over, they leave. I never see guys trying to pick up on girls at my gym. It seems most women do not go to the gym to be noticed. At the gym I used to go to, I asked a girl there if I could share the machine with her. She asked me why I couldn't use a different machine!
Most of the women in my gym appear to be smart judging by the kind of books some read. And they are either reading or listening to their i-pods too.
My experience is that women that are in great shape and go to the gym...they go there to WORK OUT.
That does not make them shallow.
My experience is that women that are in great shape and go to the gym...they go there to WORK OUT.
That does not make them shallow.
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LatinoMan, I respect your point, although I don't necessarily agree with a lot of the perspectives that you take. I didn't say that all women in gyms are shallow and I'm not basing this shallowness on those who are there to "workout." I'm basing the shallowness on the ones I have met, communicated with and gone out with. I have noticed that a lot of them act just like the not-very intelligent/open-minded types that you meet in clubs. That's all I'm saying. And yes, while many may be there to workout, even many more are there to meet people, which is why gyms are in many respects social clubs.
LatinoMan, I respect your point, although I don't necessarily agree with a lot of the perspectives that you take. I didn't say that all women in gyms are shallow and I'm not basing this shallowness on those who are there to "workout." I'm basing the shallowness on the ones I have met, communicated with and gone out with. I have noticed that a lot of them act just like the not-very intelligent/open-minded types that you meet in clubs. That's all I'm saying. And yes, while many may be there to workout, even many more are there to meet people, which is why gyms are in many respects social clubs.
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Why is the assumption always that if a person is exceptionally good looking, fit, and prides themselves on the personal dedication and discipline needed for being so, that they are necessiarily compensating for a lack of "depth", personal, or emotional intelligence? Why should outter beauty necessarily imply inner 'brokeness'? Can't a person be both physically and emotionally healthy?KarmaSutra said:
I find it fascinating that it's often the same people who tell you "you can't judge a book by it's cover" in regards to less than physical idealness (being polite) and personal merit, are usually the first people to tell you how "shallow" a person must be if they devote what they "see" as too much time to improving their appearance. I've been a body builder for almost 20 years now, my brother competed when we were younger and I have to say the majority of them were very positive, intelligent and personally healthy people.
People who look good, generally, exemplify the hard work and conviction that's necessary in staying that way. It's not just the physical that makes them attractive; it's the subconscious understanding of the dedication necessary to be so that's attractive too.
What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.
You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.
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Esoteric claptrap. How do we know this? What qualifies as "internal" validation? Can we know if a person has these qualities, and why would devloping one's body be a sign that they lack them? Should not the outside match the inside?ducaro said:
Why is external validation any less significant than internal validation?ducaro said:
There is nothing whatsoever about gyms that attract shallow women.
From your other posts, you've apparently tried to chat up a few dozen women in the gym. You've probably tried the same in night clubs.
Thing is, if you tried the same thing at WalMart, you'll quickly find that "Hey, why does WalMart attract all these shallow and flaky women!"
Then when you try cold approaching on the sidewalk, "Hey, why does the sidewalk attract all these shallow and flaky women!" Really, try outside the gym. There's no difference.
From your other posts, you've apparently tried to chat up a few dozen women in the gym. You've probably tried the same in night clubs.
Thing is, if you tried the same thing at WalMart, you'll quickly find that "Hey, why does WalMart attract all these shallow and flaky women!"
Then when you try cold approaching on the sidewalk, "Hey, why does the sidewalk attract all these shallow and flaky women!" Really, try outside the gym. There's no difference.
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I've worked at a gym for almost 10 years. To generalize the way the OP is totally wrong, as in, he's not right in his assesment, from my experience.
That statement applies not only to gym, but to any place you go to, more so night clubs.
Of course, the other option is to go for girls that don't workout at a gym. Go for the "average" woman, which means, the 2/3 of them that are either overweight or obese. I am sure you don't care at all what they look like, as they for sure won't be compensating for anything missing "inside".
That statement applies not only to gym, but to any place you go to, more so night clubs.
Of course, the other option is to go for girls that don't workout at a gym. Go for the "average" woman, which means, the 2/3 of them that are either overweight or obese. I am sure you don't care at all what they look like, as they for sure won't be compensating for anything missing "inside".
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I made no such assumption. Look at it more closely and you'll notice the word "particular" smack in between these and people. I do not generalize any particular group. But we've lived next door to this fellow and have met a couple of these women which is why I separated these "particular" women from others.Rollo Tomassi said:
Isn't this in itself a broad generalization or, at the very least, a generalization about broads?
Generally, yes. But what the Mrs. was saying was that his issue was with picking women who were too easy and not enough of a challenge. Furthermore neither is he.
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Go on fastseduction or one of the REAL picking-up-women sites and look for info on "b!tch shields".mrRuckus said:
The women aren't shallow...they just don't see any reason to immediately reveal the entire depth of their personality to some random suitor at the gym. As a superior male, you're expected to understand that. If you don't, it's obvious you don't deal with women that often.
What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.
You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.
Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.