Do you find semi-older women in good shape as being higher value?

MatureDJ · Oct 26, 2007

I was wondering. Of course, canonically a woman is at her sexual market value peak at age 18, stays up there for a while, then makes the slow descent into something that middle aged men do not care to be around, However, it seems that for an early 40's man like me, that I seem to be more interested more in the semi-older woman (i.e., 25-30) that is in really good shape. I figure that if such a woman could go through the years from 18-25 while keeping in good shape, then such women should be able to look good later in life.

What do you think?

KarmaSutra · Oct 26, 2007

You're a bit older than I am gramps but I understand your position. For a mature gentleman there isn't anything really in common (sex aside) with a twenty something, MTV bred girl who thinks JFK died by crashing his plane into a lake.

Watch Blake Edwards' Skin Deep. This movie is the perfect paradigm for this philosophy. Zack cheats incessantly on his wife with beautiful young women but comes to find God and realizes it's his 40-something wife with whom he can only relate to in that stage of his life.

Francisco d'Anconia · Oct 26, 2007

MatureDJ said:
...I figure that if such a woman could go through the years from 18-25 while keeping in good shape, then such women should be able to look good later in life...

I don't know, these women could easily hook up or marry some couch potato of a man and fall into his sedimentary habits. Women today aren't as they were 20 years ago where you could easily find women keeping themselves fit well past their 30's and into their 40's whether or not if they had a family. Your best bet is to stick with women who live a sustainable, physically active and healthy lifestyle and not just assume that she's young and cute that she will carry it into the years.

PhatE1vis · Oct 26, 2007

An older woman who keeps herself fit is definitely a turn on, because you know they're working for it. Any 20 year old can have a reasonably decent body under normal circumstances.

I'm 33 and recently dated a 22 year old. Sex was good, but our lifestyles were so different.

STR8UP · Oct 26, 2007

I'm the first one on here to trumpet the benefits of young, nubile flesh, but everyone is correct....a guy in his 40's is on an entirely different plane than a 20 yr old.

I find that although I CAN relate well to some of the more mature younger women, the biggest part of it is sexual. They simply lack the perspective that only years of experience can give.

So it's something you have to weigh out on an individual basis.

The one HUGE benefit to getting with an older woman who is still in good shape is that the chances are greater that she will look good when she's 40+. I just can't imagine settling down with a younger chick who gradually gains 50lbs and ends up looking like a beach ball.

BTW.....I wouldn't consider 25-30 to be "semi older". I suppose it's all relative, but I would see 30-35 as semi older. For me, for a relationship anyway, if I HAD to name an ideal number I would say it's 26. Old enough to be past that early 20's psychological change, young enough to still have firm t!tties to play with

MrLuvr · Oct 26, 2007

KarmaSutra said:
n but comes to find God and realizes it's his 40-something wife with whom he can only relate to in that stage of his life.

Barf.. sounds like a feminist movie. Surprising that it is done by Blake Edwards.

I think I will give this one a miss..

MrLuvr · Oct 26, 2007

STR8UP said:
I'm the first one on here to trumpet the benefits of young, nubile flesh, but everyone is correct....a guy in his 40's is on an entirely different plane than a 20 yr old.

Doesn't it depend on the guy and the girl and their respective lifestyles?

MrLuvr · Oct 26, 2007

Dilberto said:
I have met more mature RE babes, by picking-up a home directory, scanning photos, and setting appointments, posing to be interested in buying a home. All the hard work is already done for you. Because they HAVE TO talk to you! And in most cases.....they'll be happy to treat YOU to lunch!!! Try it sometime...

What happens when they find out that you are wasting their time? You are messing around with their living. That is pretty desperate of you.

squirrels · Oct 26, 2007

MrLuvr said:
What happens when they find out that you are wasting their time? You are messing around with their living. That is pretty desperate of you.

Depends on if you're giving them the kind of company they would trade an hour of work for.

ER!C L!VE · Oct 26, 2007

An older woman with looks is cool, but the thing I really love about younger girls is that they usually have a good idea as to the current trends. I haven't found too many older girls who are truly hip on what's up and coming. Trends are a passion of mine. My daily grind doesn't allow me to keep up with everything new and trendy.

The 18-22yo girls have so much time on their hands that they absorb the world around them so much better than an older girl with less time to keep in tune with society changes. When I date younger girls, each one educates me on the latest trendy/good music, clothes, movies, slang, conversation topics and other perspectives from the younger generation. I'll take these topics of conversation anyday over who's getting married, who's preggo and how someone at work is being an azzhole.

However, to each their own.. :cheer:

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STR8UP · Oct 26, 2007

MrLuvr said:
Doesn't it depend on the guy and the girl and their respective lifestyles?

When I wasn't working so much I partied like a rock star. So to a point....yea, you can click on certain levels. Most younger chicks like to go out and have a good time and I STILL find common ground in that respect with the younger ladies.

But what I am trying to say is that there will always be a disparity between the "wisdom" of a 40 yr old man compared to the "naivety" of an early 20's female.

Don't get me wrong. Younger girls are where it's at. And I have stated in numerous posts that I have no problem being able to hang with them IF THEY ARE MATURE, but even though you might have common ground in music/movies tastes, or even art or food or whatever, a 40 yr old has "been there done that" and has a completely different perspective on life.

Rollo Tomassi · Oct 26, 2007

Talk a walk into any L.A. Fitness, Bally's, PF Gym's, Gold's, or any other large chain fitness club on a Monday or Tuesday (only the Hard Cores are in the gym on the weekend) and take a good look around you. Go around the 6pm rush when the cardio classes start filling up. Do a mental tally of how many exceptionally attractive women are there and then try to estimate their ages. Then look around and do the same for the average, overweight and "mature" looking women and estimate their ages. You will quickly find that the ratio of women who you'd otherwise approach at a club wont be the more "mature" ones. And of the ones you would approach, these are the extreme exception to the rule.

Now, all that said, how many of the attractive mature women are dutifully working out because they live a genuine active lifestyle? And how many are there because they're "recovering" from their last marriage/LTR and getting in shape to attract a new mate (i.e. compete with newer models)?

Francisco d'Anconia · Oct 26, 2007

Rollo Tomassi said:
...Now, all that said, how many of the attractive mature women are dutifully working out because they live a genuine active lifestyle? And how many are there because they're "recovering" from their last marriage/LTR and getting in shape to attract a new mate (i.e. compete with newer models)?

Most excellent questions!

Drum&Bass · Oct 26, 2007

What do you think?

I think, you think to much. Nothing is guaranteed, especially the way a person develops through the years.

I figure that if such a woman could go through the years from 18-25 while keeping in good shape, then such women should be able to look good later in life.

Thats the problem with men now a days..they think once they meet a girl who has great qualities now she will remain the same person till death. People change..Bad people may change for the better and girls who stay in shape for certain amount of time in their lives may change to a woman who cares very little about her health in her older age.

The real question is do you have enough self confidence to walk away from a situation or a person when you feel they have stopped meeting the basic requirements you want.

Interceptor · Oct 26, 2007

Depends on what you value in a woman.

I know there are plenty of mature, self realized, femenine, and good looking women past their 30s. If someone really clicks wuith you then age isn't a huge obstacle, it's maturity and emotional compatability. And of course, what kind of values do you and her share in common.

There are alot of HAWT 30 and 40 somethings out there. I still say that it's important to get into those places where you'll find them though. That's key.
And truthfully, maybe some guys don't weant to acknowledge it, but I think if you want a high value woman, then you shoudl be at least the same high value too. And if we really, really look at women's psych then we have to acknowledge that women folk really do want a higher status man. In essence , someone who is at least slightly above her. HV men and women don't eally want a child for a mate, or a dependant.
I still believe in complimenting each other, and being as independent and self realized as possible.

Rollo Tomassi · Oct 26, 2007

I love little girls they make me feel so good
I love little girls they make me feel so bad
When they're around they make me feel
Like I'm the only guy in town
I love little girls they make me feel so good

They don't care if I'm a one way mirror
They're not frightened by my cold exterior

They don't ask me questions
They don't want to scold me
They don't look for answers
They just want to hold me

bigjohnson · Oct 26, 2007

MatureDJ said:
I figure that if such a woman could go through the years from 18-25 while keeping in good shape, then such women should be able to look good later in life.

What do you think?

I think that's a damn good question, I've pondered that myself. I have nothing but opinion to offer, unfortunately. Having said that I'll go ahead and offer it.

I strongly suspect that looking at a persons parents, siblings and lifestyle of same is that best indicator of what a person will do with themselves. Second to that is their own track record. If they have a lifetime of being active and in shape behind them then I'd expect the same ahead of them, barring major life altering events.

So the short answer is it depends more on the pattern of their life than the way they look at this moment. All just my own observations and opinion.

But I'm right.

As for "more in common", that's true to a point, but for an LTR it's horsecrap. A little bit (few years) into an LTR and the two of you have more in common than you can deal with almost - the differences quickly become a source of refreshment.

KarmaSutra · Oct 26, 2007

MrLuvr said:
Barf.. sounds like a feminist movie. Surprising that it is done by Blake Edwards.

I think I will give this one a miss..

I'd expect this type of minimalist thinking from you.

Mr.Positive · Oct 27, 2007

Dilberto said:
My dad used to tell me to count the number of wrinkles on women's elbows(arms extended), to get a good estimate of their actual age. I don't know how he ever learned about that one........but it is fairly accurate.

Interesting, this could be useful, can you explain more? Are you talking about the anterior or posterior of the elbow? Also, I wonder how many wrinkles per year of age.

It would be nice if the wringles showed how many dudes she's been with.

edger · Oct 27, 2007

Interceptor said:
And if we really, really look at women's psych then we have to acknowledge that women folk really do want a higher status man. In essence , someone who is at least slightly above her.

Perhaps that's because for hundreds of yrs men have taken care of them, that they've become that way? Women are used to men having always been the ones earning more $$ and being "providers", that when a woman earns more than a man, it makes her feel weird, because that's something she hasn't been conditioned to expect and doesn't see often. Like I've argued, the "man as provider" thing has turned into nothing but a social custom, a very strong social custom, that is ingrained in women from the time they are young. This is why they are like this. It's a valid point.

I really wish a research study were conducted, where a bunch of female children grew up in an environment where "man as provider" wasn't preached to them. I would love to see the results. I would love to see if those females would grow up expecting men to earn more and support them. To my knowledge such a study has never been conducted, but I would absolutely love to see it done one day.

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