Can every guy become a pick up artist who regularly fvck the hottest babes of his desires.
Can these 3 guys learn how to fvck this lady.

Case Scenarios - One - Leroy, a bad ass tender young 13 year old juvenile delinquent Afro American boy - Two - Len, an aging 60 year old Caucasian street hobo who sleeps in parks and eats at soup kitchens - Three - Jason, an 18 year old Caucasian Down Syndrome sufferer who lives with his Mother.

Object Of Their Desire - Karen, an always stylishly dressed sophisticated highly educated 28 year old long blonde haired white skinned HB9 Lawyer.

Will the teachings of Pook Gunwitch and Player Supreme enable these three above mentioned guys to fvck high society babes like Karen on a regular basis or does it only work for certain types of guys on certain types of girls.

HaremMasterThomas said:

Can every guy become a pick up artist who regularly fvck the hottest babes of his desires.
Can these 3 guys learn how to fvck this lady.

Case Scenarios - One - Leroy, a bad ass tender young 13 year old juvenile delinquent Afro American boy - Two - Len, an aging 60 year old Caucasian street hobo who sleeps in parks and eats at soup kitchens - Three - Jason, an 18 year old Caucasian Down Syndrome sufferer who lives with his Mother.

Object Of Their Desire - Karen, an always stylishly dressed sophisticated highly educated 28 year old long blonde haired white skinned HB9 Lawyer.

Will the teachings of Pook Gunwitch and Player Supreme enable these three above mentioned guys to fvck high society babes like Karen on a regular basis or does it only work for certain types of guys on certain types of girls.

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what are you smoking?!

Dam where does this shi* come?

Do these thoughts really enter your head and if so do you really entertain them?!

I would answer this question but then again i would feel like a bit 'special' to go down that route since the question was a little strange to say the least.

Also none of those teaching state you can fu** any women you want, only a fool would even entertain that thought!

MMMMmmm sorry dont mean to be an a-hole but you can see where i am going with this.

jonwon said:

what are you smoking?!

Dam where does this shi* come?

Do these thoughts really enter your head and if so do you really entertain them?!

I would answer this question but then again i would feel like a bit 'special' to go down that route since the question was a little strange to say the least.

Also none of those teaching state you can fu** any women you want, only a fool would even entertain that thought!

MMMMmmm sorry dont mean to be an a-hole but you can see where i am going with this.

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These three case scenarios prove that some guys can make excuses for being AFC's as our society has forced them into this situation.
If for instance an 18 year old boy who suffers from Down Syndrome managed to find a 28 year old HB9 Lawyer to be his girlfreind, he would have no other option but to treat her like a Queen, as it would be extremely difficult for him to replace her, if you are not a prized comodity how can you be expected to behave as if you are one.
How can a guy who can only attract one out of one hundred thousand HB9's like Karen in my original thread be expected to act like he is the prize whe she is desired by 90% of all guys.
Can you see where I am comming from now, not all guys are capable of being the so called prized Bad Boys that most hot babes dream about.
However if this 18 year old Down Syndrome boy became a tv comedian, the bad ass 13 year old became a Rap sensation and the 60 year old street hobo became a movie star, all three could then attract a HB9 like Karen.
Unattractive woman are always complaining about guys judging them on their poor looks, though the HB9's do the same to the guys who don't fit their ideals.

For starters:

Number 1.
You have no idea what AFC means:

You are too hung up on 28year old lawyers for your own good.

You are too concerned with other guys.

Karen seems to be some demi god!

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Unattractive woman are always complaining about guys judging them on their poor looks, though the HB9's do the same to the guys who don't fit their ideals.

I have no idea what the hell you are talking about! With that statement.


You post is contradictory, does not make sense and it seems is the product of a guy who shuns the community but actually knows little to nothing about it.

If your going to post constructive criticism about the seduction community at least know what the fuc* you are talking about, your posts are just ramblings and nothing more.

Sorry I have better time to waste.

I am sure you will keep working out scenarios to suit your ideals on the world, hey as long as your happy uh!

Why not actually instead of posting random shi@e read the DJ bible and read some of those Great PUA artists you seem to know a lot about, instead of jumping to conclusions that are about 1 trillion miles of base.

But I doubt you will, happy in your ignorance is all I am seeing here but that ignorance does not even have any solid foundation, so I fail to see still WTF you are talking about.

i may sound harsh but carry on like this kid and your shirt sleave is gonna get mighty stiff!

And what the hell are you actually talking about!?

I remember Ross Jeffries, David Deangelo, Neil Strauss, Thundercat, Swingcat, and most of the internet marketers have a line on their main page saying... "have any girl". Never on the pages did they say "depending on who you are this may not work for you".

Its all deceptive false advertising.

Of course not everything will work on anybody. You can use NLP and frame perfectly to get some amazing results, but that only holds up if you frame perfectly. If you give two or three seconds too much in one tactic you may never recover from that lone sarge. Learn from your mistake and move forward, but no, you can never become perfect.

All three of those guys can sarge the 28 yr old if they followed the advice perfectly , including the notes on using your own judgement, reading in your spare time, taking part in extracurricular activities, being well groomed, etc. Its also dependant on their reactions to anything she says, if you respond with something that she absolutely despises than the sarge failed right there. "how are you today?", "great I just raped a cat", "you better be joking", "no I'm serious, it died too, I love seeing the blood from a cat anus on my penis". There are some situations that are just impossible to build up from. Now you may be able with a lot of effort to convince this girl by going through the proper stages of seduction that she will be absolutely safe with you and your cat raping tendencies, but unlikely unless you play your cards just right.

So longs they can internalize and actually understand everything. They can go out and practice just like anyone else and pull.

There are many people who I've seen where I'd go "That guy is actually pulling chicks?"

An when I seen David deangleos friend who is in a wheel chair and like 2 or 3 ft.

If you can convey your personality then your in there. I know guys who have that sweat gland problem, and they still pull girls. These stuff don't matter and thats why I laugh at people who give up or worry about there looks when there are people worst than him getting chicks.

Wow. This is some messed up stuff. I think I'll stick to the mature and H&f forums in future.

"Can anyone become a pick up artist?"


No.

jonwon said:

For starters:

Number 1.
You have no idea what AFC means:

You are too hung up on 28year old lawyers for your own good.

You are too concerned with other guys.

Karen seems to be some demi god!

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Unattractive woman are always complaining about guys judging them on their poor looks, though the HB9's do the same to the guys who don't fit their ideals.

I have no idea what the hell you are talking about! With that statement.


You post is contradictory, does not make sense and it seems is the product of a guy who shuns the community but actually knows little to nothing about it.

If your going to post constructive criticism about the seduction community at least know what the fuc* you are talking about, your posts are just ramblings and nothing more.

Sorry I have better time to waste.

I am sure you will keep working out scenarios to suit your ideals on the world, hey as long as your happy uh!

Why not actually instead of posting random shi@e read the DJ bible and read some of those Great PUA artists you seem to know a lot about, instead of jumping to conclusions that are about 1 trillion miles of base.

But I doubt you will, happy in your ignorance is all I am seeing here but that ignorance does not even have any solid foundation, so I fail to see still WTF you are talking about.

i may sound harsh but carry on like this kid and your shirt sleave is gonna get mighty stiff!

And what the hell are you actually talking about!?

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As far as I know an AFC is a nice guy wuss who allows hot babes to have the power and authority in the relationship, he buys girls flowers and gifts so that they will like him, he veiws them and not himself as being the prize, I know what one is A Frustrated Chump.
Karen is not a demi-god in my own mind, she is a 28 year old long blonde haired HB9 Lawyer who has the hunkiest guys swarming around her like big hungry bears near a honey pot.
The reason I used her in my original post is because one day I saw her at the checkout at my local shopping centre, there was a young guy of about 18 with Down Syndrome with a lady who she knew at the counter, there was also a handsome young businessman in his early 30's, I was there at the time as well, what shocked me was that she was being so freindly to the boy with Down Syndrome, which seemed very false to me, as she would prefer to date me or the other guy whom she basically ignored.
I have read many PUA e-books by David DeAngelo, John Alexander, etc, so I know alot about the community and its teachings.
I am not looking for a hot babe at this time, I am happy being alone, they only frustrate me when I become involved with them, I just enjoy fvcking them.
I just wanted to know if you guys beleive that any guy no matter what his predicament is can get to fvck any type of hot babe, I personally don't think every guy can be a PUA, and the responses so far about this are 50/50.

HaremMasterThomas said:

Can every guy become a pick up artist who regularly fvck the hottest babes of his desires.
Can these 3 guys learn how to fvck this lady.

Case Scenarios - One - Leroy, a bad ass tender young 13 year old juvenile delinquent Afro American boy - Two - Len, an aging 60 year old Caucasian street hobo who sleeps in parks and eats at soup kitchens - Three - Jason, an 18 year old Caucasian Down Syndrome sufferer who lives with his Mother.

Object Of Their Desire - Karen, an always stylishly dressed sophisticated highly educated 28 year old long blonde haired white skinned HB9 Lawyer.

Will the teachings of Pook Gunwitch and Player Supreme enable these three above mentioned guys to fvck high society babes like Karen on a regular basis or does it only work for certain types of guys on certain types of girls.

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Which case do you fall under #1,#2, or #3. Let me know and I will help you out and answer your question

Distant Light said:

So longs they can internalize and actually understand everything. They can go out and practice just like anyone else and pull.

There are many people who I've seen where I'd go "That guy is actually pulling chicks?"

An when I seen David deangleos friend who is in a wheel chair and like 2 or 3 ft.

If you can convey your personality then your in there. I know guys who have that sweat gland problem, and they still pull girls. These stuff don't matter and thats why I laugh at people who give up or worry about there looks when there are people worst than him getting chicks.

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I actually saw that guy as well on the video as well. Freaking amazing. If there was any guy to get advice from, it's that guy.

But do you notice that David D does interviews of all his friends, who also have dating products out? David D became the guy he is because he hangs out all the time with guys like the guy in the wheelchair or ross jefferies or swingcat or mystery.

If you ever get a chance to hang around a group of guys who do great with women like them or even have a fraction of the success they do, do it. Become their best friend. I'm joining a fraternity filled with guys like that. People have a big influence on who we are. Being with them, talking with them, and seeing them in action and having them give you honest feedback is the best thing you can possibly do.

mr_elor said:

Yeah, you're influenced by the people around you so might as well make it a good influence. Last time I was out was with a couple of PUAs and it definitely helped, so I'd recommend the same to anyone.

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Yea. Only problem is finding folks like that and befriending them. I've hung out with guys who I thought were great because I saw how social they were, only to find out they were virgins or only had 2 or 3 relationships in their lives.

I go to school in a small city of maybe 60,000 people, and the only people even close to PUAs that I've seen were a couple guys I met in class and the guys in my fraternity. I plan to move to a bigger city once I graduate.......like Kansas City or St Louis or something.

lookyoung said:

Which case do you fall under #1,#2, or #3. Let me know and I will help you out and answer your question

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I am not one of the three case scenarios mentioned, they are real guys though who I have studied, the Down Syndrome guy is the one that I am studying the most, I can't see how he couldn't not treat a HB9 Lawyer like Karen as a demi-god as another guy termed it, I don't know if he could pull a woman like this given his disability and societies veiws on him.

jaymo said:

If you ever get a chance to hang around a group of guys who do great with women like them or even have a fraction of the success they do, do it.

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It's true even just hanging with naturals that pull a few girls or have the mindset will rub off on you. Take my friend for example this kid was a serious chode, virgin, glasses, nerdy looking, etc. We used to joke and say he is the least important and all of that. Over a course of a year we changed his whole wardrobe, parts of his mindset, and pushed him to talk to girls...

...the results he has a gf and he is no longer a virgin/nerdy kid. The funny thing is girls used to look at him and think "eeww" and being the good friend that I am I always blow up my friends and brag about them and the girls I'd talk to would actually be surprised to know he has a gf and he is getting a share of pusvy.

But going back on topic the field doesn't lie. ANYONE can go out there learn this stuff and eventually he will get it. This is all an emotional thing, its like saying you can't get angry. It is impossible to not get angry or pissed off, its something that is emotional. Same with "attraction" its emotional and there is no way a girl can just say "Nope I'm not attracted to him" thats like you being pissed at someone and then saying "I'm not angry at him".

HaremMasterThomas said:

I am not one of the three case scenarios mentioned, they are real guys though who I have studied, the Down Syndrome guy is the one that I am studying the most, I can't see how he couldn't not treat a HB9 Lawyer like Karen as a demi-god as another guy termed it, I don't know if he could pull a woman like this given his disability and societies veiws on him.

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Ok i am concerned here with your posts.

For starters.

Why are you observing 3 guys and what they can achieve?>

Why does this apply to you?>

What will change if one of those guys gets this girl?!

You posts still make little sense, i wonder why you have attracted this much level of attention.

Regardless if this chick does or does not makes little difference.

All women are not the same, women have different tastes different things they are after.

AND FOR THE 2ND TIME I WILL POST THIS< NONE <<<<<<<<<<<< READ IT AGAIN<<<<< PU or Ebooks i have read STATE YOU CAN GET ANY WOMEN.

they actually state a man as to look after himself and invest time into making himself be as attractive as possible, in alot of ways, that you are not even close to being ready for.
(your not even at beginer stage!, sorry but i am cruel to be kind, you have too many external limited belief's going, wierd experiments boy this is some all new limited belief profing right here!)

Now how this applys to some guy in a wheelchair i have no idea.

So what he may not be able to pull some hot blonde haired babe, big deal, i am sure if he tried hard enough instead of showing what i see as borderline one-ites syndrome he may actually forget about the Karan and focus on things that are probably more attainable, instead of trying to preform monkey tricks to get ANY WOMEN HE WANTS<<<<<<<<<<

You whole foundation of your post makes little sense, i have already stated your core example and bases for your view is BS, but still you continue pressing onwards.

Now you have had some constructive posts in here, but your forgeting a key tip all PU and succesful guys state and that is:

Dont fear rejections!!!

Now where the hell does that come in, in your post?!

Hey where does it come in?!

Its not even part of your wierd experiment that is flawed at its offset.

Its like trying to make orange juice with water orange colouring, yes you may get an orange drink but its not orange juice, it is no where near!

Anyway i wont post in this again!

you wont see it and it matters little.

Put it this way bud!

I was having sex last weekend.

On a date last night

I have another girl coming over on saturday to see me.

I have at least 2 more i can see.

And plenty more.

So i aint no keyboard jocky!

So what my advice does not come with a fee!

Now if you want to assume these PU your refering to know all the rules since they charge then you carry on like that, but at least know wtf you are basing your argument on.

And i know full well you have not read DD and mystery at all.

Otherwise you would not be coming out with this much cra*!

I've read em and i have some of there materials on my pc, so dont try to brag it, i can see right through this cr**.

It seems your making excuses why you cant pull, some kind of wierd ideals of limited belief so your using some external influence to prove your right!

That you can never pull due to xxx since your wierd experiment proves it?!

Well i see fat ugly mother fuc*ers with hot women daily, guys that dont have any prospects, does that mean they have some hidden know how or could it mean the women they are with have low self esteem?!

You place too much value on women!

Women are just as human as we are not robots, one women does all like some wierd programming, granted a man can cater to nature to put things in his favour but NO MAN ALIVE CAN PULL ANY WOMEN HE WANTS!<<<< no man so get your head out of that fuc*ing cloud already!

also you have not for the 2nd time read any DD or mystery at all, so dont try to BS me ok!