When I go out on the weekends, I'm usually looking to close something THAT night...to that extent, I escalate kino quickly on women who show interest. Thing is, I think it may be backfiring on me...might be setting off "ASD" with some otherwise good women that if I dated 2 or 3 times I might eventually end up sleeping with.

Should I exercise a little more patience...just work hard enough to snag interest, a little kino, then grab the number and eject? Instead of always going for the same-night lay?

My opinion is go for the gusto. Always be aggressive, but nice at the same time. Think of all the reasons girls give for flaking on guys. You will never hear a girl say I don't like him he tried to kiss me and I did not even know him.

The key is to read the situation.. There are a few woman out there that would not have a ONS. You have to kind of wing it and use your judgement.

There are many reasons to be aggressive.
1. You won't be seen as clingy.
2. You know where u stand in the relationship vs. the AFC who doesn't attempt a kiss close till date 3.
3. If girls like you they like you to be aggressive. Your not going to kill your chance with a girl just because you were aggressive.
4. The girl knows you mean business and will see you as a man. This will show her you have some confidence. vs some geek afc.
5. If your aggressive on first date and she doesn't want to have sex, If she goes out with you again she is open to having sex with you.
6. Aggressiveness usually = more pyssy.



With confidence comes aggressiveness.

A guy who is confident is going to be aggressive. Reason is he knows he is the prize and does not give a fvck what she thinks. All men want to be aggressive.

The AFC geek who is not confident wants to be aggresssive but he is not confident. He has an afc mentality which makes him think that if he is aggressive he will lose the girl because he is not respecting her.


We are men, our nature is to be aggressive. Do not go against your nature.

lookyoung said:

My opinion is go for the gusto. Always be aggressive, but nice at the same time. Think of all the reasons girls give for flaking on guys. You will never hear a girl say I don't like him he tried to kiss me and I did not even know him.

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Right on.

I hate to admit it, but I'm guilty of just the opposite. Out of laziness, fear of rejection, apathy, WHATEVER....I tend to not be aggressive enough. I just don't have the motivation I wish I had when it comes to this. If I did I could get laid like a rock star (although that brings it's own set of issues).

We are men, our nature is to be aggressive. Do not go against your nature.

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The problem isn't going against your nature, but rather that we have to go against societal conditioning that has put you in the position of going against our natural tendencies.

nothing pleases me more than a woman who puts out on the first night. i mean, just think, if she puts out on the first night for me odds are she has for lots of other guys to. which means shes probably great in bed after sleeping with 50+ guys. that's so damn appealing to me.

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honestly, i've never understood the one night stand thing. I want to get to know a woman a bit so that i can hedge my bets. If i get to know her a little bit and her views on various things i can assess if shes at least a responsible person. If she is then theres a 'better' chance that she doesn't have any STDs or anything.

any chic that will sleep with you on the first night after meeting you at a club is high risk in my opinion. make sure to wash your d*ck with Listerine in the morning.

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nothing pleases me more than a woman who puts out on the first night. i mean, just think, if she puts out on the first night for me odds are she has for lots of other guys to. which means shes probably great in bed after sleeping with 50+ guys. that's so damn appealing to me.

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honestly, i've never understood the one night stand thing. I want to get to know a woman a bit so that i can hedge my bets. If i get to know her a little bit and her views on various things i can assess if shes at least a responsible person. If she is then theres a 'better' chance that she doesn't have any STDs or anything.

any chic that will sleep with you on the first night after meeting you at a club is high risk in my opinion. make sure to wash your d*ck with Listerine in the morning.

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Latex is my friend. :rockon:

I was just wondering...it's been twice this week now. Girl I met from MySpace said I was a bit too forward with her and gave me the speech, of course laced with the schizo "Not that I didn't enjoy it" stuff. It's like that Save the Rainforest episode of South Park where Kenny meets that girl.

And then last night I'm chatting up this blond girl, we're getting on great, I've got my arm around her, running my hand up and down her back. As the night goes on, she starts getting a little looser but she's shying away from me. She gave me a number, but it ended in "00", so I assumed it was fake and deleted it. Maybe I was wrong...but I felt like maybe I was too forward with her. Went for the kiss and got the cheek.

I'm just wondering if there's a such thing as being TOO forward...especially in the presence of other people...that trips social conditioning. I don't mind being aggressive, but I'm tired of getting that "don't objectify me" attitude. Yes, I'm trying to get in your pants. No, you're NOT going to find a confident guy who is attracted to you that DOESN'T want to get in your pants. Yes, you WANT me in your pants. Can't it be that simple?

Sometimes I think not...women are just too mindf*cked. I might start doing that, though...go for the kiss-and-number and then bail from now on instead of trying to get down that night.

Can't hurt to experiment.

Honestly, I'm still of the opinion that you should back off a bit every once in awhile to make her (and by all means, YOURSELF) want it more. That's what works for me. There is such a thing as too much or too easy physical/kino. Hard to put into words, I'm sure we've all felt it. The same goes for when she shows too much. You know it's bad when you don't even feel anything.