I was having a conversation with my mother about my distaste for modern women's attitudes and such, and I punctuated my rant with: "Maybe I should find a Russian chick to bring over here mail-order bride style."

She laughed and the conversation fizzled, but my brain was hung up on the concept and started actually analyzing logistics.

So, I'm online playing fantasy pen-pal to American chicks anyway, what's to say I just don't switch sites? I mean, with all the hassle, I might just as well direct my efforts to what I would like to believe are "better quality" women. Makes sense, right? We hear it on here quite often how American women are b!tches compared to other women in the global community. So...? Why should I continue to go after them? I guess overall I'm left with a feeling that American women are unrealistic, just don't appreciate or value me as the prize I am. Then, I consider foreign women.... Hmmm... Hmmm...

Then my brain arrives at the logistics. Travel, phone calls, correspondence, travel, paperwork... ick. But then again, I think that if all is handled correctly, regardless of the outcome a Russian chick would be very lucky to get the opportunity. I have an extra bedroom in my apartment, don't have any plans to get married anytime soon, and I have always wanted to get overseas. What's to say I couldn't just "sponsor" a Ruskie? Seriously, think about it. Bring her over, make her get a job and pay half the rent (maybe do laundry and wash some dishes), and when the time requirement is complete, she's free to do as she wishes. It would sort of be like an "endentured servant" scenario. I pretty much got the idea from being in the Army. See, a guy and a chick would get married in the Army just because they would get better pay and benefits. Then, after their enlistment was up, they'd get a divorce and go their seperate ways. Meanwhile, they'd have bf's/gf's on the side. They wouldn't even be having sex together!

Work up a pre-nup, do the marriage thing, and get a hot roommate. Of course, there is always a possibility that things could "work out" and you'd want to stay married, but if you counted on them just wanting to get to the states and using you, I think you could cover your azz and it could be a "grand gesture" to what would probably be a lifelong friend. Heck, you could even be upfront about it and explain that you were merely helping them gain citizenship.

Then I got to thinking about "perceived value" by other American women. I'd be married to a super-hot chick. I wouldn't need to tell everyone what the deal was, I could just leave them to wonder. It's pretty diabolical, actually.

Now, you're probably thinking I'm bonkers for even entertaining the notion, but consider my situation: ZERO women match my search criteria, I live in a somewhat "rural" area, I easily afford my two bedroom apartment, and American women have crap attitudes because of American media/pop culture (or are fat... I would honestly say that 75% of my datable pool of women here are overweight). Really, how crazy am I? If you think about it a while, I think you'll see that it's not an irrational idea. I've got lots of options, this seems like a fair one also.

Please give construtive criticism, don't go flaming me for a concept. This is merely an idea I've been kicking around and I wonder who else here has given thought to the same idea.

Fvck man, give it a go . . .

One of my best friends met a girl from Bolivia. Took a trip down there, married her and brought her a$$ over here. He's the fvckup and she's making do with what she can but all in all she's a good woman.

Fvck, you don't need anyone's opinion, just do it. What's the worst that can happen? She leaves? Who gives a sh!t. It's a life experience and something you can look back on with reverence.

Might want to try some other regions besides that cold, Siberian, weird Russian type. Ever seen Hostel? After that I really don't trust those crazy folks up in Northern Europe/Asia.

As far as the idea, I see nothing wrong with it. H*ll, I'll do it with you.

Ever been to Wisconsin, Speedo? Cold, weird types abound. (Ed Gein, Jeffrey Dahmer, etc.)

Besides, I think a Ruskie would be already climatized. Heck, this place would be a tropical resort compared to some of the more northern regions.

Hahah! That'd be awesome, you and I going to Russia to mack. Are you officially offering to wing me?

Line up 6-7 serious candidates, plunk down $1500-$3000 round trip, and make the chicks "put you up" while you are there... food, accomodations, transportation, etc. Make them travel and meet you at whatever city.

VULPINE, before you launch off into your fantasy mail-order bride, please go to Google and simply type in "dating scams." When you do this you will find that Russia and the Ukraine are the highest on the list for dating scams.

In fact the first return on this search is this site:
http://www.womenrussia.com/blacklist.htm

Unscrupuolous 'enteprenuers' in foreign countries have picked up on the desperation of the AFC (American Frustrated Chump) and are exploiting it through very popular and "reputable" dating services (eHarmony, Match.com, etc.) There is a rash of 'digital pimps' on the net in places like Russia, Burma, the Philipines and other places who cater to the 'foreign bride' fantasy. More often than not the scam is to string along the dupe with tales of financial woes in exotic lands to establish a cash flow of 'donations' courtesy of a desperate Cap'n-save-a-ho in America. All these cons need do is play on the AFC's need to believe and cater to his idealistic nature. If a chump can be conned into an LDR with a Russian-Burmese-Thai chick, so much the better.

The growing popularity of Internet romance has led to the growth of fraudulent online activity directed at Americans. The United States Embassy in Moscow is receiving increasing numbers of complaints from American citizens who have been lured into online relationships via false internet profiles. Often, these are men pretending to be women who make contact with Americans — usually men — over the Internet through dating websites or chat rooms. The fictitious person then seeks to create a virtual relationship through the exchange of photos and e-mails. At some point s/he begins to ask for money, frequently asking that it be transferred through wire services. S/he commonly states that the money is needed to help resolve a family tragedy or arrange for a trip to the United States. A copy of a fraudulent U.S. visa is sometimes attached to prove good intentions. The U.S. Embassy in Moscow urges Americans to exercise caution — many U.S. citizens have lost hundreds, and even thousands, of dollars.

There are common factors in these Internet scams. Scammers usually misinform the Americans about travel expenses and/or they inflate the cost of the expenses that do exist. They lure the American in with e-mails, pictures, phone calls, fake visas, and even e-mails from fake travel agencies in an attempt to prove their good intentions. Typically, something happens and they "can't leave the country." They either "are hospitalized for an injury" and a "member of the family" contacts the American citizen requesting money, or a "member of the family" needs an emergency operation and needs money. Sometimes they are stuck at the airport and are not allowed to board until they can show they have a certain amount of dollars to cover their expenses while in the U.S. Some claim to have been robbed of the money that was sent or claim that they are detained at the airport. Again, their purpose is not to immigrate to the U.S., but to get as much money as possible from the victim. Most of these scammers are actually men who are paying women a minimal fee to sit and pose for pictures and pick up the money at an office of a money transfer agency.

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Pulled this from the American Embassy in Moscow's website.

I realize this isn't what you're driving at VULPINE, just wanted to point this out for desperate chumps.

Buyer beware.

Heh, this reminds me of Eddie Murphy's bit about marrying a "bush b!tch" from Raw.

EDDIEEEEE!!! I WANT HALF EDDDIIIEEE!!!

That was back in the 80s. You think this whole "independent woman" thing is new?

To me, get-married-quick schemes are in the same bracket as get-rich-quick schemes...they're for people too undisciplined or unimaginitive to take their time and do it the right way, and they seldom work out.

Pickings been slim lately?

RT, I'm pretty cynical, and I'm fully aware of the scam potential.

But, I've been looking for an excuse to travel. I think if you go about it knowing it's potentially a scam right off the bat, and almost treat it as such, you would have just the right amount of azz coverage, and proper attitude to pull it off. Pre-nup, pre-nup, pre-nup. You'd need to make a chick understand that she's paying her own way, or paying me back once she's here and gets a job. Because, you are doing her a huge service by volunteering a fake marriage and putting her up, right? She'd be happy to agree to such fair terms.

Really, if I wanted to move to another country, I'd surely consider doing something similar if given the opportunity.

But, I think a travel companion would be a must. I'd have to smoke a lot of crack before agreeing to go to a foreign country alone; especially given the scam potential.

Do you honestly think I would shell out cash save-a-ho style for a woman I've never met? Come on now, that's just plain funny. It would be no different for an American woman, I wouldn't pay jack-sh!t for something a chick can/should pay for herself.

Here's something I just realized: I'm actually a marketable man! Consider the other dorks/old/fat/ugly/stupid azz AFC's having to actually RELY on such a service to have a chance in hell of getting laid. Now, put a smooth cat's photo up in a sea of fug dudes... it's a complete turn of the table from American online dating! The more I think about it, the more I like the idea.

And no, squirrels, pickin's haven't exactly been "slim". The pickin's have been quite fat, actually, and that's half the problem. I could snap my fingers and have 3 or 4 fatties/single mommies lined up to blow me at any hour of the day. Problem is, that's not what I WANT or need. I'm just weighing options, nothing more. (yet)

I'm going with hairbrained idea...

Vulpine. We should all take turns kickin you, maybe that would knock some sense into you. At this point in society, I thought it was pretty well established that mail order brides, especially from Russia, are bad news.

So, I'm online playing fantasy pen-pal to American chicks anyway, what's to say I just don't switch sites? I mean, with all the hassle, I might just as well direct my efforts to what I would like to believe are "better quality" women. Makes sense, right? We hear it on here quite often how American women are b!tches compared to other women in the global community. So...? Why should I continue to go after them? I guess overall I'm left with a feeling that American women are unrealistic, just don't appreciate or value me as the prize I am.

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Are you hearing yourself? Read it again. You're going about your game, or lack thereof, all wrong. Your problem is that your wasting your time playing fantasy pen-pal with American women in the first place. Get your lazy bum out there and strike up some convos with some in-the-flesh women. Screw the internet fix-me-up sites...waste of time and energy. If you focused all your energy from this scheme you just laid out above into really gettin out there on the front lines of dating in the real world, you'd be getting laid on a regular basis! Or at least getting some experience under your belt.

Being a woman myself, It aggravates me that guys are too afraid of rejection these days and fail to interact with women-HB or not. Grow some and approach! We don't bite...we only accept or reject.

Step away from the internet. Are you willing to spend all that money and go to all that trouble just to get some dishes washed? DUDE, move away from WI if you don't like the selection in the gene pool.

Let's just go to Amsterdam and get fukked up and bang a bunch of hoes with no thought of consequence.

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Vulpine. We should all take turns kickin you, maybe that would knock some sense into you. At this point in society, I thought it was pretty well established that mail order brides, especially from Russia, are bad news.

Being a woman myself, It aggravates me that guys are too afraid of rejection these days and fail to interact with women-HB or not. Grow some and approach! We don't bite...we only accept or reject.

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This....

is....

HILARIOUS!

Yeah, you and a bunch of American women should take turns kicking me. That is precisely what I'm driving at about the attitude/outlook. You've got a right to be irritated by this idea. I'm can't stop laughing at the fact that you signed up to jump in my sh!t.

I'm fed up with American women's BS, so I've begun to consider looking elsewhere. Quite simply, quality single men are being chased away... look at me go! LOL! I would imagine that this would sting a little. The looks on the faces of women here that I've presented this idea to is PRICELESS!

If you knew me, you would know that I'm quite adept at approach, convo, scoring, etc. THAT isn't the problem here. I sit at work and get paid to goof around online, so I do, in addition to real life approaches. As for moving away, I like Wisconsin, and it's a non-option. My family is here, I have a good job (where I get paid to fux around online), the cost of living is reasonable, there are places to hunt and fish, etc. I just don't like the women here. Or, the women in San Francisco, or Los Angeles, or Orlando, or Denver, or Chicago for that matter. If I could find a woman who hasn't been corrupted by American media and culture, then excuse me, but I think there is supreme value to that.

Speedo, that Amsterdam business is week #2 of our trip! :rockon:

Let me add something to the equation: I've been considering selling my crap and leaving the country as an option. I have some family that would sponsor me in Australia. Why? Just to do it, really. I'm young and want to see the world.

Just as I suspected you would assume I signed up to "jump your sh!t". I was invited by a well respected member of this community. He's a good friend of mine, and we share a lot of the same views. I've been reading posts for quite some time, but not replying.

My intent with the being aggravated comment was just to show you and the rest of the guys my side. You're misdirected. I'm not jaded or bitter, never been married and have no kids. Just looking to provide a female point of view, and perhaps you should be more patient and listen before you chuck me off to the 'American woman's BS'. I'm sure you won't be the only one to misinterpret my response.

You're right, I don't know you, and now that I know that you enjoy WI I can make a better assessment. Perhaps you shouldn't jump to conclusions with me as well.

I'm fed up with American women's BS, so I've begun to consider looking elsewhere. Quite simply, quality single men are being chased away... look at me go! LOL! I would imagine that this would sting a little. The looks on the faces of women here that I've presented this idea to is PRICELESS!

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Also, my response wasn't intended to keep 'quality guys' like you around, I ultimately don't care if you take all the 'quality guys' with you. I, like the other guys in this forum, am offering my take on the situation.

My question to you is are you really so convinced in assuming that women in other countries are going to be so different from American women when it comes to what they're looking for in the opposite sex?

*sigh*

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Are you hearing yourself? Read it again. You're going about your game, or lack thereof, all wrong. Your problem is that your wasting your time playing fantasy pen-pal with American women in the first place. Get your lazy bum out there and strike up some convos with some in-the-flesh women. Screw the internet fix-me-up sites...waste of time and energy. If you focused all your energy from this scheme you just laid out above into really gettin out there on the front lines of dating in the real world, you'd be getting laid on a regular basis! Or at least getting some experience under your belt.

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Jumping in my sh!t: Lack of game? All wrong? Experience? Laid on a regular basis? Lazy bum? Indeed. Perhaps I misunderstood some of the connotation of those expressions?

I got laid last night.:yawn: I stopped counting the women I've slept with at 100... when I was like, 23. Since, I've lived in several states, been on countless "dates", facked scores more women, and tend to believe that I have a good idea of how American women "are".

Oh look! I'm still single! (Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining.) Sure there are some miscellaneous "how's and why's" to factor, but the common factor with all the women I've been with? American. Oops, I guess there were a couple of Canadians, and a few Mexicans. Which, oddly enough, happened to be ONS's that I wished could have become someting more, now that I think of it... hmm.

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My question to you is are you really so convinced in assuming that women in other countries are going to be so different from American women when it comes to what they're looking for in the opposite sex?

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No, in fact I'm banking on it being exactly the same. Since I have no trouble with (screwy) women here, logic would lead you to the conclusion that I would have no trouble with women in other countries, screwy or not.

Perhaps you aren't understanding that my "problem" isn't "with women". It's "the women". And, the intent isn't so much "to get married", or even "get with a woman", as it is "travel, and perhaps sponsor a Russian woman". I hope I cleared up that confusion for you. Meanwhile, welcome to the forum.

Vulpine, this world is full of risks that we either take, or we don't. As long as you're aware of what you risk losing and know that you'll be able to recover if something should go wrong, then fvcking go for it! You'll come out with one hell of an experience, and some interesting memories to reflect back on.

Vulpine,

I see your standpoint more clearly now. You say you want to travel, etc.. have you ever considered the Peace Corps? There are many different places to choose from, and once your service of 27 months (I think) is up the gov gives you 6K dollars to get back on your feet back in the States. It's an opportunity to see the world, meet new peeps, AND do something for society.

Just a thought.

Women, whether in America, Europe or Timbuktu, are still motivated by security in the long term. All that's different is the means they are required to attain it given their conditions.

Hmm... Now, HMMMM... And, now that you mention it, I could re-enlist in the Army. (I'm already Signal Corps and Transportation Corps affilliated!) SOoo many options! Someone also mentioned becoming an English teacher in a foreign country. All sorts of options.

I should research the Peace Corps a bit. I was under the impression that they mainly worked in 3rd world countries. I'm not sure that I have much intrest in digging wells in Africa, or giving out innoculations in South America, but I'll poke around and see what's up with it.

That's exactly what I was thinking also, RT.

A friend of mine taught English in Taiwan for several months, he loved it. And it's extremely cheap to live there. Lots of Asian hotties...
The Peace Corps has involvement in Poland as well, I was researching recently for myself.

Vulpine,

Its funny that this came up now. My good friend met a women online from the Philipines, brought her over about 2 years ago, I told my g/f about the baby that they just had. When she seen her picture, she asked what her nationality was. I told her that she was Philipino, then I decided to have some fun and tell her that she was a mail orber bride. She was immediatly intrigue, asking me 20 questions about how it worked etc... I still haven't told her the truth. But I put in , well we should get ourselves one. We could use her as a maid to cook & clean since she doesn't like doin that stuff. I said we coud get her a job and have her turn a profit for us. In the end she'd never go for it but I thought I would put it out there.

From reading your FR/journal, I know that you've got game and not afraid to approach. Having lived in a small rural town, I can also respect you getting tired of the same ole / having gone through the majority of the quality women that are easily visible.

Don't let the negatives bring you down. RT has great knowledge but he pretty much sticks by the letter of the bible / his theories.

Yes we all know that there are scams out there and Russia is best known for it. There are ways to avoid it and find out who the real deal is. Webcam is one of the easiest ways to tell if it is actually a women and not a man. Secondly only chumps send money to someone they've never met.

But if you tackle this from a smart approach it may have some merit. I like the way your going about it.

Don't bring her here with the intention of being your wife, but treat her with some respect and you'll get paid back in spades. But finding that right women is going to be difficult. I like the idea of lining up 3-4 then having a trip to meet all of them, that way you weed out the flakes. Let them know that your not a fool who is going to be parted with their money but you are willing to sponsor them as you called it.

Hopefully you can find a smart women who's got some transferable skills. The good thing is if you can find her a half decent job, she'll love you. She'll definately clean up and do that kind of stuff. But if she can raise her standard of living, she'll be living the american dream without being totally owned for a couple of years.

But it is a bit of a crapshoot. You have to remember not to put all your eggs in one basket, still go out there and play your regular game. When I was in my LD LTR, I still lived my life as a single (without her knowledge) until I moved to be with her, but the fact is by doing so, I naturally did the things to keep her attracted to me.

But you are young and thats the one thing I can say is that I've lived life to the fullest. I've made my share of mistakes and I've gotten a bit of a bad reputation / not quite as clean cut as my parents would have liked, but I wouldn't trade the memories I've got by going out there and doing the things that everybody else said was a little shady or off the beaton path.

My stepfather encourages my brothers to go out there and travel, experience as much as you can. Do it now while you can.