Always open doors
This is perhaps the most basic rule of male etiquette out there. It is also one of the easiest to follow so you have no reason to forget it. Whether she is about to enter your car, restaurant, club, or anyplace with a door, you should always hold it open. If there are many doors, then hold them open one after the other.
Put on her coat

Help with her seat
If an unaccompanied lady is sitting next to you, it is important that you help her be seated by pulling her chair out for her and gently pushing it back into place, with the lady seated of course.
Give up your seat
If a lady arrives at the table and there are no available seats, you should stand up and offer yours to her.

Give her your arm
When escorting a lady (that you know) to and from social events, you should offer her your arm. This is a little more intimate, but serves well when walking on uneven ground -- especially if she's wearing high heels.

Ask if she needs anything
This is one that most guys already do, but helps complete the gentleman in all of us nevertheless. When at social events, make sure to ask the lady if you can get her something to drink (or eat, depending on the event). Show her that you care about her comfort and needs.

Guys dont do all of these constantly if you are not dating a woman from a high social class, if you go for the high class ladies like me,then you should do these things, otherwise the normal you would be fine.

Give her your arm
When escorting a lady (that you know) to and from social events, you should offer her your arm. This is a little more intimate, but serves well when walking on uneven ground -- especially if she's wearing high heels.

do you have to say anything or do you just make the gesture

From that list, I only do the "give her your arm thing" when I meet her and start getting playful with her. Works wonders for me though I do it more in a flirting way than in a 'gentleman' way when we head from one place to another (bar, club, etc.) or to the car before making out. If she complies and smiles a lot, she's there buddy. Just make the next move.

That sounds very bad. I mean it makes it seem like your her supllicant slave.

Not that you shouldnt open doors for her once in awhile.

Shouldnt she in a way be serving you? Not the other way around.
Arnt you the one whose suppose to be the prize?

Freddy1 said:

That sounds very bad. I mean it makes it seem like your her supllicant slave.

Not that you shouldnt open doors for her once in awhile.

Shouldnt she in a way be serving you? Not the other way around.
Arnt you the one whose suppose to be the prize?

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Are you a man or a woman?
I go out. I kill beasts. I fight wars. I chop trees. I build things. I break things. I open doors. I pull out chairs. I make sure the women around me are comfortable.

Simple as that. Is it suplicating slavery? No. It's manhood. It's natural.

Honestly, only a little ***** would be so put out by having to offer a chair to a lady as to consider it slavery. So in effect you can almost say by not doing this you are behaving as a woman. But I wouldn't go so far as to say that. I would just say you are a punk.

And no, Freddy. I'm not calling you a punk or a *****. I just saying in general.

OF course as Zerotwoonenine said, if you're just looking for for some girl with no class then don't worry. But out of respect to myself I wouldn't allow a women to allow herself to be treated as a no class hussy.

And for the record I treat all women this way including friends and UG's.

Teflon_Mcgee said:

Are you a man or a woman?
I go out. I kill beasts. I fight wars. I chop trees. I build things. I break things. I open doors. I pull out chairs. I make sure the women around me are comfortable.

Simple as that. Is it suplicating slavery? No. It's manhood. It's natural.

Honestly, only a little ***** would be so put out by having to offer a chair to a lady as to consider it slavery. So in effect you can almost say by not doing this you are behaving as a woman. But I wouldn't go so far as to say that. I would just say you are a punk.

And no, Freddy. I'm not calling you a punk or a *****. I just saying in general.

OF course as Zerotwoonenine said, if you're just looking for for some girl with no class then don't worry. But out of respect to myself I wouldn't allow a women to allow herself to be treated as a no class hussy.

And for the record I treat all women this way including friends and UG's.

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Zerotwoonenine said:

" ALWAYS open doors"

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No I wouldnt ALWAYS open doors with women.

Teflon_Mcgee said:

Are you a man or a woman?

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I should be asking you that.

Teflon_Mcgee said:

Simple as that. Is it suplicating slavery? No. It's manhood. It's natural.

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Freddy1 said:

I should be asking you that.




AFCism? ONEitis?

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Get your motherfvcking head out of theory land, playa.

pulling out a chair, linking arms, opening doors...it's all good.

Yes you should embrace a high self-worth ("I am the prize") paradigm; but don't get anal about it. You can be chivalrous without appearing weak, worthless or supplicant.

If you try to stick to these "rules" so rigidly, then not only will you find contradictions, but you will get nowhere with women.
I suppose you can consider the afformentioned rules as training wheels, to break through your old AFC mentality and form the new you.

p.s you must also realise that success here can never be based a set of rules or techniques, and nobody can truly learn or understand these methods from reading alone. In-field experience will account for 95% of your improvement and is the only thing capable of yielding tangible results.

Freddy1 said:

I should be asking you that.?

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We don't need to get hostile here, Freddy. That was a rhetorical question. I wasn't questioning your manhood.

For the record, I am not going to defend my my manhood anymore than by saying that of all the western men here I feel confident enought to say that I am part of a select few who has lived through the true trials of manhood and last remaining refuge not open to anything but TRUE men. These trials did not make me a man. My manhood simply allowed me to survive and pass them.

No, I shall not elaborate. And I'm not saying that those who have not been (un)fortunate enough to have experienced the crucibles I have are any less of a man. There are plenty of true men here and out in the real world. Unfortunatly manhood seems to be an exclusive club (these days) whos members are only recognized by each other and everybody else is either shying away from or simply posing for some ulterior gain.


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Freddy1 said:

AFCism? ONEitis?

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No. You're ideas of these are skewed.

Let me preface by saying that being a gentlemen is not a requirement to get women. Many men far more sucessfull with women than I are not gentlemen.

Being a true gentlemen goes much deeper than picking up women. A man who is a gentleman to a woman for the sole purpose of geting her to like him most likely is an AFC or suffers from oneitis.

For the PERFECT case study on this, watch "stagecoach" with John Wayne. Pay attention to how the "gentleman" character is not so much of a gentlman and his motives are suspect while the outlaw, ALPHA (John Wayne) is a TRUE gentlemen.

In order for us to be gentlemen we have to define the term gentlemen. This is very subjective.
The definition I like best and have strived for since being a young boy is as follows: A gentleman is a MAN who makes all those in his presence feel comfortable and appreciated. It's that simple (for me anyways.)

A woman cannot be a gentleman. A boy cannot be a gentleman. Only a man can be a gentleman.

An AFC will be a gentleman for the sake of getting the girl to like him or trying to impress her.
I could care less if I'm liked. Being liked is a natural consiquence of being a true gentlemen. Though it's not always immediate (i.e. when gaming a girl.)

A gentlemen will give off an aura that is very perceivable, especially by females. In fact I used to think it was weird how girls would always tell me (within hours of being with me) how good of an aura I had. I thought I just had good game. Then one day a man told me the same thing within a few minutes of meeting me and I realized I had acheived gentlemen status.

It is important to note that being a gentleman will NOT get you a girl. It will guarantee the friendzone if you don't step up into primal manhood.

Being a gentleman does not meen you cater to everybody's every whim. It does not mean you let people walk on you. It is not a substitute for tight game. It doesn't mean showing up with flowers or running to get her food at 4 in the morning.

Everything you've learned here still applies. Neg her. Make fun of her. Tell her no. Even be an a-hole sometime.

In fact, I've developed a very a**holish persona that is very congruent with being a gentleman. It is very effective. It's not so much rude or jerk like but more of a sarcastic charm.

Anyway, like I said, you don't have to be a gentlemen. In my mind it has nothing more to do with picking up ladies than being a vegetarian or a Buhdist. It is simply a lifestyle choice that you can either live or not live. But it is only one (and one of the only ones)that can be chosen by a true MAN and has the principles that are defining of manhood.

The Juan and only said:

Get your motherfvcking head out of theory land, playa.

pulling out a chair, linking arms, opening doors...it's all good.

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Freddy1 said:

"Not that you shouldnt open doors for her once in awhile."

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Re-read what I wrote.

After reading this and other threads, I don't think anyone here UNDERSTANDS what "supplicate" means. To supplicate is to beg, to humbly ask for something. Doing something nice for a girl is not supplicating. I suppose if you were to say "I'll do XXX for you if you'll please please go out with me", then yes, you would be supplicating. You can do nice things like opening doors or pulling out a chair without losing one iota of your manhood.

Besides, most of the things mentioned in the first post are things that feminists wouldn't want a woman to accept from a man in the name of equality, and if you ask me, anything a rabid feminist doesn't like is a good thing to do.

Teflon_Mcgee said:

We don't need to get hostile here, Freddy. That was a rhetorical question. I wasn't questioning your manhood.

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Fair enough. No offence either.

I have the problem with "ALWAYS" hymmm???

I had a few instances in the past where I wanted to be a gentleman with a date and it she responded negative(sort of) to it.
For example I use to date this women (middle class background. Her father was actually a VP of a high school) where I opened a door for her and she responded by walking around me and opening another door on her own. It was like she had some problem with it and needed to make a point.
Even when I helped her with a chair it didnt seem to be too welcome by her. Gave me abit of a dirty look.

Dont get me wrong I do want to do nice things for women but from my own experience some take the gestures the wrong way. (I'm thinking that THEY think I'm being "old fashion" or something???? Or it comes off as being "is this guy for real?".)

Freddy1 said:

I have the problem with "ALWAYS" hymmm???

I had a few instances in the past where I wanted to be a gentleman with a date and it she responded negative(sort of) to it.
For example I use to date this women (middle class background. Her father was actually a VP of a high school) where I opened a door for her and she responded by walking around me and opening another door on her own. It was like she had some problem with it and needed to make a point.
Even when I helped her with a chair it didnt seem to be too welcome by her. Gave me abit of a dirty look.

Dont get me wrong I do want to do nice things for women but from my own experience some take the gestures the wrong way. (I'm thinking that THEY think I'm being "old fashion" or something???? Or it comes off as being "is this guy for real?".)

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As Teflon McGee wrote, being a gentleman is not about getting a girl. It's a lifestyle. A real gentleman wont stop being himself because some women don't like to be treated well (and I'd say they're messed up and not worth my attention then).
From your story I get this: a girl didn't approve of your gentleman-like behavior and you don't question her, you question the behavior. That's AFC mentality. If I wanted to change myself everytime a woman disapproved of me I would be insane by now with 10 personalities or something.

Peace.

Its good to treat (pretend) a chick your already banging is a unique special snowflake as the odd REWARD now and then for her treating you rightly as the King.

Other than that those tips are mainly sh!t, and pretty much worthless, chivalry for chicks went out with the BeeGees man, actually it went out with the "ladies" but whatever. Should be opening doors for men, women ,elderly etc anyway.

In short you could have just said to learn common courtesy, and courtesy never got a guys c@ck sucked btw.

Take a chicks arm into yours? sure YAY, 1 star.

edit: Just noticed your sig.

Be Sure To Check Out Askmen.com :rockon: :rockon:

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Now this "tip" makes sense.

Jeremy the Wicked said:

As Teflon McGee wrote, being a gentleman is not about getting a girl.

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What Teflon McGee said was between him and I. And we made our Peace. Thank you

Jeremy the Wicked said:

A real gentleman wont stop being himself because some women don't like to be treated well....
If I wanted to change myself everytime a woman disapproved of me I would be insane by now with 10 personalities or something.
Peace.

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"A real gentleman wont stop being himself because some women don't like to be treated well..."

The whole concept of "gentlemen behavior" is a social construct. Different cultures Do Not share the same concepts of it. Infact it is Taught since childhood by your parents and kindergarten teachers etc.


(off note:One should read up on Eleanor of Aquitaine & read up a line from Edmund Burke)

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Its good to treat (pretend) a chick your already banging is a unique special snowflake as the odd REWARD now and then for her treating you rightly as the King.

Other than that those tips are mainly sh!t, and pretty much worthless, chivalry for chicks went out with the BeeGees man, actually it went out with the "ladies" but whatever. Should be opening doors for men, women ,elderly etc anyway.

In short you could have just said to learn common courtesy, and courtesy never got a guys c@ck sucked btw.

Take a chicks arm into yours? sure YAY, 1 star.

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Agree with you.

Actually the idea of offering your arm to a lady originated in the Middle Ages, when crusaders back from killing non-christians, the amount of dried blood on their arm was a social status symbol (ie. "This blood stain is from a muslim who refused to convert to christianity!"). The more blood on your arm, the more sexier you were.

So next time you offer your arm to your special lady, throw in a comment like "I killed 10,000 jews/muslims/athiests with this arm!"

Yep thats where alot of it started.

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Actually the idea of offering your arm to a lady originated in the Middle Ages, when crusaders back from killing non-christians, the amount of dried blood on their arm was a social status symbol (ie. "This blood stain is from a muslim who refused to convert to christianity!"). The more blood on your arm, the more sexier you were.

So next time you offer your arm to your special lady, throw in a comment like "I killed 10,000 jews/muslims/athiests with this arm!"

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Yeah I'll do that.

Fvcking hell your a tosser. No wonder your mates are pushing you to internet date.