Don Juan was a Seducer, people!!

Permission · Jul 14, 2006

Stop this bullsh*t of how you think don juan doesn't focus on women and is about self improvement. What a crock of turd. Don Juan was and always will be about SEDUCING women. If you don't like it, then leave this site and go visit a website about self improvement. This is a place to seduce.

Playersupreme said before that if you guys want to focus on that, then maybe take it to the 'anything else' forum or somewhere else.

Yeah you need to be the prize and you need to be confident, but this website is about getting girls.

The tip here is that you should direct your energy levels to picking up chicks, not sitting there trying to convince yourself that women are not what you're looking for. If you truly are an asexual person who doesn't really want women, then what on earth are you here for? You are never going to have the proper social skills of picking up chicks if you don't focus on picking up chicks especially if your skills aren't developed yet.

Don Juan was a seducer of women. He enjoyed it. He lived it. He breathed it.

Francisco d'Anconia · Jul 14, 2006

Permission said:
...Don Juan was a seducer of women. He enjoyed it. He lived it. He breathed it.

I've always said that being a DJ was a lifestyle.

GaryUranga · Jul 14, 2006

isnt the past tense of "breathe" "breath"?

Permission · Jul 15, 2006

GaryUranga said:
isnt the past tense of "breathe" "breath"?

No, the past tense of breathe is breathed. Breath is a noun which does not have tense. "I am going to breathe another breath" is a proper sentence.

pooparu · Jul 15, 2006

Permission said:
Stop this bullsh*t of how you think don juan doesn't focus on women and is about self improvement. What a crock of turd. Don Juan was and always will be about SEDUCING women. If you don't like it, then leave this site and go visit a website about self improvement. This is a place to seduce.

Playersupreme said before that if you guys want to focus on that, then maybe take it to the 'anything else' forum or somewhere else.

Yeah you need to be the prize and you need to be confident, but this website is about getting girls.

The tip here is that you should direct your energy levels to picking up chicks, not sitting there trying to convince yourself that women are not what you're looking for. If you truly are an asexual person who doesn't really want women, then what on earth are you here for? You are never going to have the proper social skills of picking up chicks if you don't focus on picking up chicks especially if your skills aren't developed yet.

Don Juan was a seducer of women. He enjoyed it. He lived it. He breathed it.

I see where you are coming from and I understand what you're saying. I'm gonna toss my two cents in as well.

I think alot of guys up here have got things miscontrued. They focus so much on the improvement aspect (which is great, don't get me wrong), and the "women aren't everything aspect", that they eventually start constantly improving, but never getting out and using their improvements. And when they do, and something doesn't work out, they turn that, "women aren't everything" statement, into their excuse for failure. I almost got like that at one point, where I would try something, it might not work or maybe it would but not how I wanted and I would say, "all well, women aren't everything" and then go back into training or whatever.

I doubt Don Juan just said, "Alright well forget my job, my life, and everything else women are everything!".

But I know EXACTLY where you are coming from. Guys are getting so much into the improvement aspect, that they are forgetting part of the reason they came here. To be a man.....for WOMEN. So good post permission, remind these guys (and myself), that just because you improve doesn't mean that you can just forget about women.

Women should not be your universe, but they should be a great, wonderful part of it. That's what I believe a Don Juan is. Everything is in check and he's on his path, not just for himself, but for women as well.

Thanks for reminding us of this **** permission, its easy to start using that for an excuse for not getting out there.

Lifeforce · Jul 15, 2006

*spanking myself for being an ********

Permission · Jul 15, 2006

pooparu, that's exactly what I'm talkin' about!!

lifeforce, you wrote "In my experience you don't need skill as long as you are worth something and women recognize this value." How is she going to recognize your value when you're walking in a mall? Are you going to casually show her keys to a Ferarri when you walk by?

"So continue to sharpen your skills, it just proves you can't attract a woman naturally."
Um, so having social skills and body language to attract a woman is un-natural? Okay, next time someone tries talking to you, don't talk to them back since that would prove how "natural" you are being.

I just saw one of your posts called Be the Average Guy where you basically say the same thing about how self-improvement won't get you the girls. So maybe you're just arguing with yourself here.

pooparu · Jul 15, 2006

Life force, really REREAD his post again. I had the same opinion as you, until I sat back and actually analyzed it. He's not saying to develop skilsl needed. He's saying that guys have gotten so caught up in this improvement ****, that its becoming their creative avoidance for NOT talking to women. Its like the AFCs who say they could get out there but they can't because women only like guys who drive nice cars. Its what so many of these "djs" are doing now.

"I could get out there, but I'm not improved enough".

What the **** does that mean? You need to experience to improve ANYWAY. To state a few cliches:

We fall so we can learn to pick ourselves back up.
There is no failure, only lessons.
Failure paves the road to success.

Etc. These guys are just using this as ANOTHER excuse not to meet women. Taken too far, even the best things become bad. Good post again permission, really helped open my eyes and avoid this pitfall.

Edit: And lifeforce, you aren't really looking at his post. People who see improvement with women through self improvement actually....*GASP* go MEET the women they are improving for. That's all he's trying to say. You need to actually focus on women, that's the reason you came here in the first place isn't it? He's not saying make women the only thing you are thinking about, what he IS saying is make women SOMETHING you think a bout, because if you really look around, alot of guys up here don't even talk about women anymore, just about improving and new mindsets and ****.

Lifeforce · Jul 15, 2006

Why do cold approaches when you can meet women in other ways, with higher success and easier environment?

When I talked about skillz I mean people who come up with tactics and skill to "seduce". I just am myself, no game, no nothing, if the girl likes it, fine, if not, goodbye.

pooparu · Jul 15, 2006

Lifeforce said:
Why do cold approaches when you can meet women in other ways, with higher success and easier environment?

When I talked about skillz I mean people who come up with tactics and skill to "seduce". I just am myself, no game, no nothing, if the girl likes it, fine, if not, goodbye.

Lifeforce, he's not saying that either. You don't suffer from this problem (as far as I can tell), so I think you aren't recognizing what he's saying. The guys up here aren't just not doing cold approaches, they aren't really interacting with women PERIOD. They are just improving, always improving. For what? Most guys have forgotten WHAT they were improving for in the first place. This is what he's warning against.

Lifeforce · Jul 15, 2006

pooparu said:
Life force, really REREAD his post again. I had the same opinion as you, until I sat back and actually analyzed it. He's not saying to develop skilsl needed. He's saying that guys have gotten so caught up in this improvement ****, that its becoming their creative avoidance for NOT talking to women. Its like the AFCs who say they could get out there but they can't because women only like guys who drive nice cars. Its what so many of these "djs" are doing now.

"I could get out there, but I'm not improved enough".

What the **** does that mean? You need to experience to improve ANYWAY. To state a few cliches:

We fall so we can learn to pick ourselves back up.
There is no failure, only lessons.
Failure paves the road to success.

Etc. These guys are just using this as ANOTHER excuse not to meet women. Taken too far, even the best things become bad. Good post again permission, really helped open my eyes and avoid this pitfall.

Edit: And lifeforce, you aren't really looking at his post. People who see improvement with women through self improvement actually....*GASP* go MEET the women they are improving for. That's all he's trying to say. You need to actually focus on women, that's the reason you came here in the first place isn't it? He's not saying make women the only thing you are thinking about, what he IS saying is make women SOMETHING you think a bout, because if you really look around, alot of guys up here don't even talk about women anymore, just about improving and new mindsets and ****.

Every time I read his post it's the same thing which comes to mind. This board is about seducing = false, and everyone who improves just do it to hide their fear of meeting women = ohh so false.

Actually me and many others don't improve for the sake of women. I did it at first but then I realized I am so much more valuable to myself than any woman on earth. You don't need to focus on women at all. Let them pick you up, save you the trouble.

If you improve as an excuse not to meet women then you are not really improving.

Lifeforce · Jul 15, 2006

pooparu said:
Lifeforce, he's not saying that either. You don't suffer from this problem (as far as I can tell), so I think you aren't recognizing what he's saying. The guys up here aren't just not doing cold approaches, they aren't really interacting with women PERIOD. They are just improving, always improving. For what? Most guys have forgotten WHAT they were improving for in the first place. This is what he's warning against.

Yeah, rereading it a couple of times I realize what you mean. But I think he is missing the whole point of improvement. You become valuable so women want you more than you want them forcing them to do the work. He talks about the prize, but if you really are the prize you don't need to do anything but make friends with women/people in general. Seduction is made absolete. The only thing you do is to REJECT those you do not like.

At the same time the people who improve but don't meet people/women doesn't realize that improvement is also about managing relationships with other people.

Permission · Jul 15, 2006

Lifeforce, you have a tip called "My Entire Style off Seduction at Parties" where you talk about what you do, and your tip "Be The Average Guy" where you wrote: "I get the feeling we are chasing an ideal that's way past us. We take all this stuff about self improvement too far." That's what I'm saying. You wrote more, "Pooks description is really motivating, but it's just a pipe dream."

lifeforce said:
Every time I read his post it's the same thing which comes to mind. This board is about seducing = false

It's not false at all. I just looked at the site's official motto: "Secrets of Meeting, Dating, and Attracting Women!"

How are people going to magically walk up to you and meet you if you aren't being social? Unless you're extremely good looking or famous, it's not going to happen on a regular basis.

pooparu · Jul 15, 2006

Lifeforce said:
Every time I read his post it's the same thing which comes to mind. This board is about seducing = false, and everyone who improves just do it to hide their fear of meeting women = ohh so false.

Actually me and many others don't improve for the sake of women. I did it at first but then I realized I am so much more valuable to myself than any woman on earth. You don't need to focus on women at all. Let them pick you up, save you the trouble.

If you improve as an excuse not to meet women then you are not really improving.

Well first and foremost, I don't know the entire lineage of sosuave, but in its original state, it was here to help guys meet women and keep women (through skills, technique, improvement, whatever). Second, he's not saying, don't improve, he's saying, STOP using it for creative avoidance. You are the most valuable person in your life, no one is debating that, no one is saying NOT to improve. But if you sit at home all day, women aren't going to knock on the door and say, "hey you know I came by to check if you've been improving on yourself, and since it looks like you have....*strips naked*." It's not gonna happen. similarly, he's right, you aren't going to be walking down a mall and a girl runs up to you and says, "WOW YOU KNOW YOUR INNER BELIEF SYSTEMS ARE SOOOO ATTRACTIVE, I WANNA JUMP YOUR BONES". You have to communicate this. And you do have to focus on women, just like you focus on anything else. When you are reading a book do you focus on the wall? he's not saying, revolve around them, he's saying that you need to do what this site was created for, interact with women. You don't have to cold approach, people can introduce you, whatever, but you need to place yourself in situations where you will meet the women you want. Don't tell me you just go to the mall, sit at the food court looking all alpha and just wait for a woman to approach you. Becaus even if they did, you still need to interac with her.

All he is simply saying, is to use your improvements to meet women. That's what the site is about. Improving your life, making it better, not only so that you can enjoy it, but so that women can enjoy you too.

Edit: damn you posted when I wrote all this, well I'll still keep it here, but I'm glad you understand where he's coming from now.

Edit 2: Exactly what I mean life force, you become so valuable to yourself that women also want you, but you gotta make the effort to meet said women. I agree 100% with both you and him, I think it's just more of a confusion on both parties side.

Lifeforce · Jul 15, 2006

Permission said:
Lifeforce, you have a tip called "My Entire Style off Seduction at Parties" where you talk about what you do, and your tip "Be The Average Guy" where you wrote: "I get the feeling we are chasing an ideal that's way past us. We take all this stuff about self improvement too far." That's what I'm saying. You wrote more, "A man that rescues damsels in distres, climbing mountains, being perfect socialy, doing the right things all the time. The thing is that this man doesn't exist. Pooks description is really motivating, but it's just a pipe dream."

It's not false at all. I just looked at the site's official motto: "Secrets of Meeting, Dating, and Attracting Women!"

How are people going to magically walk up to you and meet you if you aren't being social? Unless you're extremely good looking or famous, it's not going to happen on a regular basis.

Been here since 2001-2002 so this board has changed quite a bit. I'm just not catching up with time I guess. During these past years you're gonna find alot of posts which I cringe when I read so I don't agree that much with what I wrote before.

What I mean is that you just talk to people. No need to seduce them. If I see a girl at a party I'm gonna go up and talk to her, but not like I'm trying to seduce her. I just want to see if she's a person I can get along with. You know, you don't really expect anything. So she can't reject you, she can either prove if she's cool enough to be around or if she should be rejected.

Permission · Jul 15, 2006

Lifeforce, I think that you, me, and Pooparu basically agree with the same thing. It's just that maybe my original tip wasn't worded the best way so there's kind of confusion between us.

Lifeforce · Jul 15, 2006

pooparu said:
Well first and foremost, I don't know the entire lineage of sosuave, but in its original state, it was here to help guys meet women and keep women (through skills, technique, improvement, whatever). Second, he's not saying, don't improve, he's saying, STOP using it for creative avoidance. You are the most valuable person in your life, no one is debating that, no one is saying NOT to improve. But if you sit at home all day, women aren't going to knock on the door and say, "hey you know I came by to check if you've been improving on yourself, and since it looks like you have....*strips naked*." It's not gonna happen. similarly, he's right, you aren't going to be walking down a mall and a girl runs up to you and says, "WOW YOU KNOW YOUR INNER BELIEF SYSTEMS ARE SOOOO ATTRACTIVE, I WANNA JUMP YOUR BONES". You have to communicate this. And you do have to focus on women, just like you focus on anything else. When you are reading a book do you focus on the wall? he's not saying, revolve around them, he's saying that you need to do what this site was created for, interact with women. You don't have to cold approach, people can introduce you, whatever, but you need to place yourself in situations where you will meet the women you want. Don't tell me you just go to the mall, sit at the food court looking all alpha and just wait for a woman to approach you. Becaus even if they did, you still need to interac with her.

All he is simply saying, is to use your improvements to meet women. That's what the site is about. Improving your life, making it better, not only so that you can enjoy it, but so that women can enjoy you too.

Edit: damn you posted when I wrote all this, well I'll still keep it here, but I'm glad you understand where he's coming from now.

Edit 2: Exactly what I mean life force, you become so valuable to yourself that women also want you, but you gotta make the effort to meet said women. I agree 100% with both you and him, I think it's just more of a confusion on both parties side.

Yes, meeting new people is very very very important. I agree meeting women is important if you haven't got a clue on what to do. It will help to get social skills. People who improve won't get the mindset of trying to find out if a girl is good enough for them instead of them trying to "get" or "seduce" the woman. It takes alot of rejections and experience in the field of meeting women or people. And most of all it will require confidence from achievements in that persons life.

Lifeforce · Jul 15, 2006

Permission said:
Lifeforce, I think that you, me, and Pooparu basically agree with the same thing. It's just that maybe my original tip wasn't worded the best way so there's kind of confusion between us.

Yeah, that was a waste of 15 perfectly good minutes. Get cranky when I'm sick

pooparu · Jul 15, 2006

Lifeforce said:
Yes, meeting new people is very very very important. I agree meeting women is important if you haven't got a clue on what to do. It will help to get social skills. People who improve won't get the mindset of trying to find out if a girl is good enough for them instead of them trying to "get" or "seduce" the woman. It takes alot of rejections and experience in the field of meeting women or people. And most of all it will require confidence from achievements in that persons life.

Exactly, you can only self improve without others until a certain point, then after that you need to apply what you have gained, and share it back with others, and then you start to improve in ways you couldn't imagine if you werent out socializing.

And yea I know what you mean man I was sick like 3 days ago and I just hated everything lol.

GateKeeper · Jul 15, 2006

oh thanks for setting us straight... I guess our years of involvement in the DJ movement has led us to be foolish, while you seem to have a supreme handle on all of it.

For many people, it IS about self improvement. For others, it is not. :kick:

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